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      Some published figures (not sure of accuracy and measurement conditions)

      0-100 Kmph timings

      Hyundai Verna Fluidic CRDi: 10.2 seconds
      New Ford Fiesta TDCi: 12.1 seconds

      Anyone knows other timings?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Digital Vampire View Post
      Hyundai Verna Fluidic CRDi: 10.2 seconds
      11.49 sec according to this Autocar India link http://www.autocarindia.com/Review/2...i-verna.aspx/3.

      Can't find timing for Fiesta.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DevilsCry View Post
      Guys, I googled and found that Ford TDCi is also a member of Fiat's JTD engine family!
      Are you sure about this? Could you please share the link for the benefit of everyone?


      Quote Originally Posted by DevilsCry View Post
      I am not sure how they concluded so on WIKI.

      At least the different between MJD on Punto and the TDCi on Ford is that

      MJD is a 1.3 litre engine and if I am not wrong Ford's TDCi is a 1.4 liter engine.

      Also, MJD is a DOHC 16V and the TDCi on Ford is SOHC 8v.

      With these many differences am not sure how they could come under the same category.
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      Quote Originally Posted by roadracer View Post
      Are you sure about this? Could you please share the link for the benefit of everyone?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD_engine

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      Quote Originally Posted by roadracer View Post
      With these many differences am not sure how they could come under the same category.
      I'm confused myself. I really don't see any similarity in those engines, be it in specs or in driving experience.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DevilsCry View Post
      Guys, I googled and found that Ford TDCi is also a member of Fiat's JTD engine family!
      Engine was made by Peugeot.

      This engine was developed in Trémery by Peugeot, as described in the joint-venture agreement with Ford. This engine is built in France, UK and India.
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      Quote Originally Posted by anubhavt View Post
      Engine was made by Peugeot.
      Ah, then it means that different diesel engines of Ford were developed by different companies. According to the link provided by you, new Fiesta's 1.5L TDCi was derived by 1.6L TDCi which was also developed by Peugeot.

      Interesting stuff, I must say. I can't find link anymore but I also saw somewhere that my old Esteem's 1.0L engine was also designed by Peugeot.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
      Where did I say that I have experience with New fiesta, I have already said that I have experience of driving old fiesta and figo and those cars reach to initial turbo spool-up RPMs very early hence the turbo lag is minimum wheras Hyundai diesel engines are just opposite.
      I second with Capt. Jack!

      Well, I drive both Hyundai Verna 1.5 CRDI and Ford Figo 1.4 TDCi. So, here are my puny two cents :

      - Ford 1.4 TDCi
      As fore mentioned, the turbo lag is absolutely NIL. The engine revs freely and linear as compared to Hyundai's. FTD factor with this engine and this car is better in City as compared to Verna. One and half years of ownership & 40,000 kms the car never felt underpowered. On paper it does look but practically, it doesn't!
      Not to mention a better fuel economy(getting 17-18 kpl). The chasis of the car complements well with the engine.
      However, NVH levels is a minus point but one can live with it.

      - Hyundai 1.5 CRDI VGT
      This is a wild dog! The turbo-lag is intoxicating in highways. A better engine for the highways, packs more punch.
      However, in the city, turbo lag is quite irritating. I would rate the Ford Engine better in terms of intra-city usage.
      On highways, its a different story altogether. It easily puts older Jettas, Lauras, Octys, Corollas to shame.
      Fuel Economy is 13-14 kpl, compromised.

      I enjoy driving both the cars and really like their respective engines. Its really hard to judge between the two. Ford 1.4 TDCI is built for low cost and has FGT.
      I've voted for Hyundai for their power. But, it isn't all about power. Plonk a VGT in 1.4 TDCi(I think its internationally available somewhere) and it can whip some serious Korean ass!
      KunaLsFluidic : Lets not compare Apples to Oranges. This thread is pointless. VW Group makes 2.0 liter TDCR which is used in several models with different state of tune. Say Laura 2.0 TD CR manual uses 110 PS tune but is it better overall than say a 1.5 or even 1.6 liter Hyundai CRDI VGT?
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      Well, I've driven only the 1.4 crdi hyundai i20 and the 1.4 tdci ford fiesta (the old one).
      And between the two i prefer the hyundai engine. Though it has a bit of turbo lag, it is more free revving and the top end power is slightly better.
      Ford engines are good for city driving but on the highway it struggles according to me. I'd prefer the hyundai diesel engines.
      But when it comes to ride and handling department it's a different story altogether, ford is way ahead of hyundai.
      But for diesel engines alone I think hyundai is better.

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      I am staying out of this thread or all the hyundai guys will no longer like me.

      Just stating one line. Hyundai diesels have more power on paper and in straight line drag races due to bigger turbos and this introduces turbo lag. Great to drive on open straight roads.

      Ford diesels have smaller turbos, thus less power on paper and also almost negligent turbo lag. Great to drive in cities and zip zapping other petrol or diesel cars on city roads. Ford cars have better dynamics though and although they lose to hyundai diesels in a drag race, but on the circuit ford diesel cars will beat the hyundai diesels.

      Either ways both have sufficient power to stay within 120 kmph, which i think is the max speed that one should not cross while driving on indian highways.

      EDIT - i wrote "just stating one line and then wrote 3 paragraphs, i am such an oaf.
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      Hhhmmm! Firstly, no more personal attacks.

      Back to topic, I think Ford India thinks we Indians cannot handle high powered cars. While they do make cars with the best suspension setup and steering feedback, their cars except maybe the Endy are grossly underpowered for an enthusiast looking for some fun. And that's always made me sad.

      Hyundai on the other end, makes brilliant diesel common rail engines, but sadly their suspension designers think India is filled with uncles and aunties who'd like sofa kinda ride.

      Who makes better diesels engines between the two? Definitely Hyundai. But I see Hyundai too following an on going trend of smaller engines like the Elantra. Such a pity to see a 1.6L motor in that car.

      Did anyone ask about the measured torque figures of the new Elantra?

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      PS - Turbo lag exists on all cars. Even the Fords, but to a lot lesser extent than the Hyundais/Chevrolet/Fiats etc.

      And I really don't understand the logic of cribbing about turbo lag? If you are a good driver you'll actually enjoy down shifting and gunning it
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