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      Why are Synthetic Oils better?

      A Lubricant is not automatically better or superior to Petroleum Oil just because it is or claims to be "synthetic ".

      However, because many synthetic lubricants are chemically more uniform, and are stable under extreme pressures and temperatures (both hot and cold), and usually do not decompose as rapidly as petroleum base lubricants, longer oil change intervals are therefore permissible.

      Modern Premium Synthetic lubricating oils will allow up to 40,000 Kms or one year between engine oil changes.

      The same service life that was promoted by Mobil for the original version of Mobil 1 back in 1976 -- no such claim is now being made for the current version of Mobil 1 .

      But likewise these permissible extended oil change intervals are based on the expected service life of ONLY 7 years or 1,15,000 Kms for vehicles operated under ideal conditions. If vehicle is operated under severe service operating conditions (as most vehicles are), or if longer service life is required, this extended service interval needs be likewise reduced to one half or one third.

      This means that engine oil should still be changed every 4,000 to 12,500 Kms in most automotive and light truck applications.

      There are number of "synthetic" oils available to consumers in the market.

      Most recognized brand is Mobil 1.

      Others are DELVAC 1, Exxon Synthetic,SHELL, Valvoline, PETRONAS, CHEVRON, etc.

      CASTROL Syntec is also promoted as "synthetic" despite of it being produced from Group III Petroleum Basestock.

      Because Synthetic Oils are about four times more expensive than equivalent petroleum oils, less than 4% of vehicle owners in the country currently use them.

      Premium Synthetic Oils are available from small companies such as AMSOIL, Eon, Red Line, Royal Purple.

      Premium Synthetic Oils are six to nine times more expensive that petroleum oils, and since they are produced by small companies, reliable data on their market share is not available, but it is estimated to be less than 1/2 %.


      Semi Synthetic or Synthetic Blend - a Hype?

      In recent years a new category of Motor Oils has been developed primarily in the USA, they are "Synthetic Blend" also known as "Semi Synthetic" in our local market.

      They are about half the price of "Fully Synthetic" motor oils which currently sell in the Rs 1000 to Rs 1250 price range for one Litre.

      They promise the same performance as "Synthetics" but for half the price.

      At first glance that seems promising, but when the ultimate truth of "Synthetic Blends" is examined, it is apparent that the only benefit that they offer, is a higher profit margin for the marketer of the oil.

      The facts:

      "Fully Synthetic" Motor Oils contain 70% to 85% Synthetic Base Oil by volume, the balance are additives dispersed in Petroleum Carrier Oil. They sell for under Rs 1500 per Litre and cost about Rs 600 to manufacture.
      The mark up is about 50%. The market share is about 4%.

      Petroleum Motor Oils contain 80% to 95% Petroleum Base Oil by volume, the balance are additives dispersed in Petroleum Carrier Oil. They sell for under Rs 300 per Litre and cost about Rs 100 to produce (even at price of crude oil @ $80.00 per barrel).
      The mark up is about 150%. The market share is over 90%.

      "Synthetic Blend" Motor Oils contain 5% to 20% Synthetic Base Oil, 60% to 70% Petroleum Base Oil, the balance are additives dispersed in Petroleum Carrier Oil. They sell for Rs 400 to Rs 600 per Litre and cost ONLY about Rs 125 to Rs 150 to produce.
      The mark up is 300%. The market share is about 2%.

      The temptation of high returns on investment which is presented by "Synthetic Blend" Motor Oils is the only driving force behind their promotion, after all if you could double your profit, what would you rather sell "Petroleum" or "Synthetic Blend"?

      Even Mobil, which for over 20 years held the position that "semi-synthetics" as they used to call what now is generally referred to as "Synthetic Blend", are a waste of money, if you want synthetic quality and synthetic performance get "100% Synthetic" (Mobil 1, of course).

      But now under the pressure of Exxon management since Mobil was merged into ExxonMobil,
      guess what the latest news is: "Mobil 1 Synthetic Blend" !!!

      "Synthetic Blend" or "Semi Synthetic" is a hype, if you think that you cannot "afford" synthetic oil, get premium petroleum oil or normal petroleum oil and change it frequently.
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      Anybody has info as in where in Bangalore Mobil Fully Synthetic lubes are available ? for diesel swift.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nayak View Post
      Anybody has info as in where in Bangalore Mobil Fully Synthetic lubes are available ? for diesel swift.
      The Mobil1 site must be the worst designed site with no info about dealers or distributors in India. Anyways, I think you can call any of the numbers below (toll free) and find out who is the nearest dealer to your place.

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      Nayak; Delvac1 is best suited for turbo diesels. they dont sell small cans in india, just the huge barrels. It is being used by the Volvo CRDi buses as OE. works out to around Rs700 /liter.
      Maybe you can buy it off the bus owner? you need only 3 liters in a diesel swift.
      If Delvac 1 is unavailable, I'd rather use Delvac MX or any other diesel specific oil and change every 5k
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nayak View Post
      Anybody has info as in where in Bangalore Mobil Fully Synthetic lubes are available ? for diesel swift.
      Let me check with the stock availability with my dealer. Will update in the evening today.
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      Quote Originally Posted by KRRaj View Post
      I got to ask the Hyundai guys what Oil they are using, I have no clue :?
      afaik HGO from most PSUs is API-SJ!.

      It is nice to see an oil centred discussion in place of a vehicle centred discussion.

      However, let me add my tuppence worth:

      1. Whether we like it or not during the warranty period one is obliged to stick to the manufacturers specifications. This is one more reason why I do not like extended warranties. They essentially cover just the drive train. How many cases have heard of Drive Train (engine, gearbox, diff) failure. Only if you are very high mileage (say 25,000+km per year) user and have an unlimited mileage type warranty it is not worth it. I keep my cars for about 60,000km. The last time I remember and engine /gearbox job was in 1985 when we had an issue with the Premier Padmini.

      2. Barring very few engines, we do not have high spec engines, so the utility of Full Synthetics is questionable. The other argument for them is the high viscosity range, which get the hydraulic tappets up fast. I do not think many of us are lucky enough to be living in Ladakh!

      3. In India ATF is also used for Aircraft Turbine Fuel (i.e.,Kerosene without the subsidy). So just be a bit cautious that here we are talking of Automatic Transmission Fluid (incidentally, one case where the level is checked with the fluid warmed up and engine running).

      More often that not the manufacturer will sing about all the goodies (alphabet soup as I call it) in his oil, and specify and oil higher that what you may really need.

      Avoid co-branded oils, you are paying a royalty to the car maker for nothing.
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      Ripper: - how much is the delvac 1 per liter and are you using it? And what rating is it - CI4?
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      shyam:
      I'm using OWS turbo racing. never managed to get my hands on the Delvac 1
      THe OWS oil has no grading on its packaging. all of the pete's cars run on it, so I do too.
      have done 30k kms on it, and it's lovely!
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      Sir i tried calling toll free numbers, it did not go tru. i'm located in Udupi and i tried to call from my BSNL line...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nayak View Post
      Sir i tried calling toll free numbers, it did not go tru. i'm located in Udupi and i tried to call from my BSNL line...
      http://www.speedaway-lubes.com/ They are the Bangalore/Karnataka distributors for Mobil products.

      Here is their contact info - http://www.speedawayprivatelimited.com/contact.htm

      11. 3, 1st Cross,
      Lalbagh Fort Road,
      Bangalore - 560 004.
      Phone:91-80-41326140 / 22221680
      Branch Manager:Mr. T.M. Nagesha
      Cell: 99805-51402
      Home Phone:91-80-5308750
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      bangalore@speedaway.co.in

      18. 3,1st Cross, Lalbagh Fort Road,
      Bangalore - 560 004.
      Phone No.:080 - 41510128
      Branch Manager: Mr.N.Ramesh
      Cell : 99805-51407
      VAT No.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST No.: 9085208-4/11.9.70

      19. No1, Susheela Road, 1st Cross,
      Lalbagh Fort Road,
      Bangalore - 560 004.
      Phone No.:080 - 41496502
      Branch Manager: Mr.K.Prasad
      Cell :99805-51408
      VAT No.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST No.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
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      12. D.No.:11-8-821,
      Collerkeri Street,
      Maidan IV Cross,
      Mangalore - 575 001.
      Phone:91-824-426939 / 2441231
      Branch Manager:Mr.K.R.Vinodkumar
      Cell: 99805-51405
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      mangalore@speedaway.co.in

      13. S.P.T. Complex,
      122/87, New Cotton Market,
      Hubli - 580 028.
      Phone:91-836-350437, 356154
      Branch Manager:Mr. N. Ramamurthy
      Cell: 99805-51403
      Home Phone: : 91-836-356154
      VAT No.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      hubli@speedaway.co.in

      14. Shop no. 40,
      M.Vishveshwaraiah Lorry Terminal,
      Bangalore Road,
      Bellary
      Phone:91-8392-275743, 271250
      Branch Manager:Mr.K.Prakash
      Cell :99805-51401
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      bellary@speedaway.co.in

      Shop No.12 & 13
      ‘C’ Block
      Durgappa Complex
      K.C. Road
      Bellary – 583 101.
      Phone: 08392 - 279917
      Name of the Branch Manager: Mr. P. Chandrasekar
      Cell :99805 - 51401
      VAT No 29520326422/01.04.2005.
      CST No.9085208-4/11.09.1970
      bellary2@speedaway.co.in

      15. "Shramajeevi" Complex,
      (Besides Bajaj Showroom),
      120/3, P.B. Road,
      Davangere - 577001.
      Phone:91-8192-233364, 233442
      Branch Manager:Mr. Girish G. Joshi
      Cell: 99805-51410
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      davangere@speedaway.co.in

      16. Shop No.6 to 9,
      R.S.No.370/24A/4,
      New Hangirkar Complex,
      Dharwar Road,
      Belgaum – 589 016.
      Phone:91-8131-2489414,2486848
      Branch Manager: Mr.M.P.Jayakumar
      Cell: 99805-51404
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      belgaum@speedaway.co.in

      17. X/18 [PART],
      Parvathi Complex,
      Hampi Road,
      Hospet - 583 201.
      Phone:91-8394-223253
      Branch-In-Charge:Mr.R. Ganapathy
      Cell: 99805-51406
      VAT NO.: 29520326422 / 01.04.2005
      CST NO.: 9085208-4/11.9.70
      hospet@speedaway.co.in

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