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      First of all we should not compare both the vehicle, there was a similar never ending debate about Scorpio and Safari, now its XUV and Storme.

      We need to understand that both are for different set of customer and both being Indian we should appreciate their R & D, having said that selling an SUV with these many niggles for 15L is a day light robbery, wonder why none of the customer has taken M & M to court. Manufacturer is entitled to replace the defective part under warranty and he is entitled to do it, I don't understand why many feel that warranty replacement is a good gesture!!

      M & M is making good money with XUV and they never went in to mass manufacturing this model, customer were chosen in lots and there is also an considerable waiting period even now, the reason I am telling this, M & M had their own sweet time or luxury to solve all these niggles and I am wondering they are not finding a one time fix and this model was tested for more than 2 year, wonder what they tested all these years.

      Even the 1L Nano got several update and refreshes to solve the niggles, given the price tag of XUV and their long list niggles, what M & M is doing is absolutely unacceptable. They are doing nothing but taking every customer for ride.

      Fixing the braking issue is not a rocket science, I don't think so it would take this long time!! Even initial batch of Fortuner had braking issues, later Toyota upgraded to bigger discs to solve the issue, like wise look at the improvement they are doing to Etios twins, i am just not praising Toyota alone even TML has done similar thing to Indica.

      Why don't M & M stop the production of XUV and fix all niggles and then re-launch?

      Look at all this hurryburry one thing is very clear, M & M is not bothered about their customer.
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      Quote Originally Posted by camchennai View Post
      Look at all this hurryburry one thing is very clear, M & M is not bothered about their customer.
      This would be a very vague statement to say about M&M. Its not that they are not working on it. Having worked with automobile manufacturers whenever such problems occurs there is a havoc in the meetings etc and immediately work is started on the same. Not it involves R&D, vendor involment , simulations , retests and many more intricate things to make a change , be it small or a big. We just think everyone should be done overnight, but its practically not possible.

      Similarly maruti is going through bad nightmare due to the recently changed braking system design on the new Swift. Many customers have complained about brakes not working in urgent situations and also some have already met with minor accidents due to this. Earlier they were not ready to accept the defect but when more and more customers started facing the issue they got serious.
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      My friend who bought the first batch of XUV is selling his vehicle after being fed up with all the niggles, endless warranty replacements of brakes, clutch, sensors etc. Per him, the vehicle is as bad as a niggly Tata vehicle but Mahindra does not get too bad a press like Tatas. He feels that perhaps it is due to Mahindra's better handling of the customer during the complaints than Tata.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Italia-Linea View Post
      This would be a very vague statement to say about M&M. Its not that they are not working on it. Having worked with automobile manufacturers whenever such problems occurs there is a havoc in the meetings etc and immediately work is started on the same. Not it involves R&D, vendor involment , simulations , retests and many more intricate things to make a change , be it small or a big. We just think everyone should be done overnight, but its practically not possible.
      Braking issue is very much evident on an small drive itself and it doesn't requires an extensive test, this issue was also there in the scorpio, M & M did a extensive testing before the launch and I am sure they would have noticed this, why this long delay in fixing it? And I am sure this is not a rocket science for a manufacturer who is there in the business for more than 40 years.

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      Similarly maruti is going through bad nightmare due to the recently changed braking system design on the new Swift. Many customers have complained about brakes not working in urgent situations and also some have already met with minor accidents due to this. Earlier they were not ready to accept the defect but when more and more customers started facing the issue they got serious.
      MSIL released and ECU update to fix the issue and there is also a wrong thread in our forum on the same.
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      camchennai: How do you say that XUV and STORME should not be compared?
      Quote Originally Posted by camchennai View Post
      Similarly maruti is going through bad nightmare due to the recently changed braking system design on the new Swift. Many customers have complained about brakes not working in urgent situations and also some have already met with minor accidents due to this. Earlier they were not ready to accept the defect but when more and more customers started facing the issue they got serious.
      Maruti alwas gets the bagde worst in class seating arrangement and alway maruti fails in term of quality but its not noticed in the market because people who get maruti drive less not likne TATA and mahindra vehicles which sells lesser than maruti but the road population is more with these brands.

      M&M's worst idea is to launch a vehicle with price tag of 16L with High end korean electronics and Un-road worthy suspension setup which is not suitable for Indian Roads.

      XUV500 can never be called has a crossover nor a SUV its a Compact Utility vehicle which can compete with Etiga alone
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      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      XUV500 can never be called has a crossover nor a SUV its a Compact Utility vehicle which can compete with Etiga alone
      Honestly, do you've the first batch of XUV or any past grudge against Mahindra ? Do you own a XUV to talk about the facts or is your talks on air with what you hear around ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      XUV500 can never be called has a crossover nor a SUV its a Compact Utility vehicle which can compete with Etiga alone
      XUV500 is an SUV and can be called an SUV and in no way does it compete with an Ertiga. What made you say its a CUV?

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      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      XUV500 can never be called has a crossover nor a SUV its a Compact Utility vehicle which can compete with Etiga alone
      According to your logic of calling the XUV a CUV, should we be calling Audi Q3, Q5 and Q7 as CUVs too?

      Please define an SUV and when you are done with that, please define what a Crossover is.
      I'm definitely not asking for some stupid tax law in India which defines an SUV based on some weird GC and engine parameters.

      XUV sports a more modern monocoque based design and so does many higher end SUVs. Monocoque and Unibody construction is exactly the way the automobile chassis technology is headed due to their inherent advantages. As far as passenger vehicles are concerned, the stone-age ladder-frame chassis based construction which unfortunately some old school people uses to define an SUV will very well be relegated to museums pretty much sooner than later.
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      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      How do you say that XUV and STORME should not be compared?
      Both uses different chassis which by and large changes the vehicle dynamics!! It will not be an apple to apple comparison.

      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      Maruti alwas gets the bagde worst in class seating arrangement and alway maruti fails in term of quality but its not noticed in the market because people who get maruti drive less not likne TATA and mahindra vehicles which sells lesser than maruti but the road population is more with these brands.
      Maruti is far better in quality compared to other manufacturers.

      Quote Originally Posted by maranprashanth View Post
      &M's worst idea is to launch a vehicle with price tag of 16L with High end korean electronics and Un-road worthy suspension setup which is not suitable for Indian Roads.

      XUV500 can never be called has a crossover nor a SUV its a Compact Utility vehicle which can compete with Etiga alone
      XUV is not as bad as it has been described in your post, M & M has come out with an refreshing product, just that they need to fix couple of things.
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      Quote Originally Posted by camchennai View Post
      XUV is not as bad as it has been described in your post, M & M has come out with an refreshing product, just that they need to fix couple of things.
      XUV is not as comfortable as STORME in the chennai roads.Crossover means handling of sedan and comfort of SUV and both are not gained in XUV except the intial pick-up of a sedan.


      Quote Originally Posted by camchennai View Post
      Maruti is far better in quality compared to other manufacturers
      My point was If TML and TKM vehicles mostly cover 1L Kms in 3 to five years but maruti is very rare.


      Quote Originally Posted by camchennai View Post
      Both uses different chassis which by and large changes the vehicle dynamics!! It will not be an apple to apple comparison
      But at the end of the day we want a feedback and the comparison in road and off-road proves its not as capable as STORME


      Quote Originally Posted by Digital Vampire View Post
      According to your logic of calling the XUV a CUV, should we be calling Audi Q3, Q5 and Q7 as CUVs too?

      Please define an SUV and when you are done with that, please define what a Crossover is.
      I'm definitely not asking for some stupid tax law in India which defines an SUV based on some weird GC and engine parameters.

      XUV sports a more modern monocoque based design and so does many higher end SUVs. Monocoque and Unibody construction is exactly the way the automobile chassis technology is headed due to their inherent advantages. As far as passenger vehicles are concerned, the stone-age ladder-frame chassis based construction which unfortunately some old school people uses to define an SUV will very well be relegated to museums pretty much sooner than later.
      I have already posted it may be be a best in class technology but if the vehicle tends to vist the service centre often what is the use?My Friend with XUV for a minor breakdown was standing in highway for 3Hrs after calling for road assistance so It means no proper road assistance is given for all M&M vehicles and in particular about XUV500

      Chassis is best and advanced technology BOSS! but how about ride quality?

      SUV - Sports Utility Vehicle.

      Crossover - Handling of Sedan with comforst of SUV in best combination only.

      And no one asked about whose stupid or what is stupid.
      Digital Vampire: Q3 and Q5 are Compact Utility vehicles only.

      And for people's Question

      Similarity between Ertiga and XUV

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      Ration of Weight to power is similar
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