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      Global NCAP - ZERO STARS for Indian Cars in 2016 Crash Tests.

      ... Continuing from Indian small cars fail independent crash tests - Page 12

      17th May, 2016

      More Indian cars were tested and results as usual and as expected - 'FAILEd'

      Global NCAP | Zero Stars For All Cars In Latest Global NCAP Crash Tests

















      Crash test Videos:













      EDIT: Post spun into a new thread - for clarity, visibility... and relevance! Was getting lost in the old thread.
      Last edited by kb100; 17th May 2016 at 14:53.

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      This is really some bitter truth coming of actual indian automotive industry , Thanks to Ncap atleast we are becoming aware .
      Most shocking is scorpio .The way whole roof collapsed is some serious cost cutting .Wondering how solid build are cars currently .Even the car nicknamed tin can which etios scored 2 stars .This is tin can not etios i guess. kwid the most lightest car has showcase its true colors.

      Why dont they test each and every car now instead of these batches









      SOURCE-http://www.autocarpro.in/news-nation...age/2?id=19847
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      Quote Originally Posted by AMG Style View Post
      Most shocking is scorpio .
      +1. This is really shocking. All others were on expected lines. While Mahindra could make 4 star ANCAP rated XUV, wonder why they did not do so with new generation Scorpio, which might have been designed after the XUV. The way roof crumbles on Scorpio is evident of unsafe design and/or cost cutting. What is the point of giving optional airbags on all the variants while they can not make a good stable bodyshell for passenger safety.

      Just watch how 2012 Scorpio pickup (probably made for Australia) had the passenger shell intact, as compared do the new gen Scorpio (made for india) in the crash test.

      Last edited by speed79; 17th May 2016 at 18:26.

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      New safety norms in Oct 2017: Carmakers concerned over timing of global NCAP crash-test results | The Indian Express

      Have been hearing this since ages and thus far couldn't smell any signs of such norms. Sorry state of affairs.

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      To all people who are expressing shock or going to express shock

      Please do not waste your expressions.

      1. Indian Car Car Market is a regulated market by Government of India. It is governed by local standards set up the regulator ARAI in consultation with Automobile OEMs, Consumer Advocacy Groups and other stakeholders. It is obligatory on any Car OEMs to meet the standards set. If standards itself are set at low level, one can not blame OEMs and their products for not confirming with another standard which is set 8000 KMS away.

      2. Indian Car Market is highly price sensitive. we decide the segments of cars on basis of dimensions and price and NOT on basis of Safety Standards. The cars are engineered to the local standards while minimizing cost. Every entreprenuer does that. if any of us become Entrepreneurs we will also do the same. So Save the shocking expressions.

      3. still 97% of Indian population is still not touched by any of the automobile standards. the rest of the 2% have other safe guards, they probably buy safer vehicle among available ones.

      4. These Global NCAP test results should be take as a guidance and an awareness creation opportunity. of course we need better Automobile Safety standards, but before that we need better jobs and incomes so that people can value their life better and hence look for safety standards.

      5. Even though one model is having few more safety feature, i have often seen/read that people have chosen feature rich cars than safety rich cars minus fancy features. So eventually consumer decides whether he needs that extra safety or not.


      If you really feel shocked, then do not buy any such vehicle from now on which does not conform to Safety standard (the one which you follow), and let the car OEM know through their dealerships, when you do not buy the models on offer. This will help them incorporate those safety features when increasingly more number of consumers reject their products.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
      5. Even though one model is having few more safety feature, i have often seen/read that people have chosen feature rich cars than safety rich cars minus fancy features. So eventually consumer decides whether he needs that extra safety or not.
      very true sir.Indians sure have a mentality that a touch screen head unit,automatic climate control,chrome garnish,push button start are some fancy features which majority of consumers demand .They do not see whether the vehicle has airbags,abs,esc etc like features .

      I think some of this blame goes to hyundai also who started this feature trend .Look how people were attracted to the huge list of features .others also followed the same route .See camry,baleno,elite i20,city,verna ,creta etc.

      Indians have a long way to go achive the safety in foreign vehicles.Fuel efficiency the most important criteria also known as kitna deti hai attitude should be changed to safety kitne hai ,structure strong hai ki nhi ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
      2. Indian Car Market is highly price sensitive. we decide the segments of cars on basis of dimensions and price and NOT on basis of Safety Standards. The cars are engineered to the local standards while minimizing cost. Every entreprenuer does that. if any of us become Entrepreneurs we will also do the same. So Save the shocking expressions.
      Just putting example based on available statistics:

      Base/cheapest 5 door variant of European Swift rated 5 star costs 9,499.
      INR conversion at current rates: 9,17416/-
      Maruti sells cheapest model at Rs 4,71,613 ex showroom and Rs 5,21,496 on road Delhi. This Indian version failed to gain any point even on structure integrity part, forget about the secondary safety features.

      On the other hand cheapest variant of European Polo sells at 14,085.
      INR conversion at current rates: 13,60547/-
      VW India sells the cheapest model at Rs 5,37,800 ex showroom and Rs 5,93,367 on road Delhi. This Indian version gained 4 stars rating during crash tests.

      Older generation Figo used to sell at the price point around Swift or even lower than that and that car also had much sturdier structure built at cost.

      Manufactures can build safer cars at cost if they will to do so. Just my thought. And about entrepreneurs doing that kind of things to gain profits without considering any ethics then IMO customers should know about them and should stay away dealing with them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
      Base/cheapest 5 door variant of European Swift rated 5 star costs 9,499.
      INR conversion at current rates: 9,17416/-
      Let me ask the question other way, If Suzuki introduces a SWIFT model base version at 917416 in India, will any one in India buy it ?

      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
      Older generation Figo used to sell at the price point around Swift or even lower than that and that car also had much sturdier structure built at cost.
      What was the Global NCAP Rating of that particular model. "Much sturdier" is a relative adjective. Scorpio is also "Much sturdier"

      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
      And about entrepreneurs doing that kind of things to gain profits without considering any ethics then IMO customers should know about them and should stay away dealing with them.
      Has any Automobile Entrepreneurs claimed that their cars are crash proof or 5 STAR in safety ?, if yes, they are committing a crime. They are just selling the products they have. They are not saying anything about 5STAR or Crash etc. if you are an entreprenuer you will also probably do the same. i will certainly do the same.

      Let me give another example to clearly state what i want convey.

      All of us travel in Public Transport by paying for a ticket for traveling with a seat. Most of the time we do not get a seat, instead we stand and travel, we also get ourselves pushed into that cramped vehicle just to save time, ignoring all other aspects of the travel experience including safety. How many of us demand a seat from the conductor if there is none. How many of us sue the public transport company (most of the time, government owned) for deficiency of service and claim compensation. How may consumer advocacy groups have taken up this case in courts of law ? How many times the Regulators (RTO in this case) have ceased the vehicle for overloading with passengers beyond permitted seating capacity? .... Zilch.

      So let us not selectively preach sermon.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
      Let me ask the question other way, If Suzuki introduces a SWIFT model base version at 917416 in India, will any one in India buy it ?
      I had put two examples, VW also doesn't sell Polo base variant at 13,60547/-, do they?

      But I agree with your point made on price point - 'will any one in India buy it' they sell a test-passed car at price point similar to Swift but its a sales dud in comparison of sales figures of Swift.

      Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
      What was the Global NCAP Rating of that particular model. "Much sturdier" is a relative adjective. Scorpio is also "Much sturdier"
      According to Global NCAP, the body shell of Polo and Figo were found 'stable' but both the cars scored zero ratings due to lack of safety features. Later VW fitted two airbags in the base variant as standard fitment and the model scored 4 star ratings but Ford refused to do so and continued selling the base variant without airbags.

      Other tested cars were found having unstable structures where fitting any airbag or any other safety features weren't going to be helpful in yielding better safety ratings. Please refer to the statements and reports released by the same Agency during test carried out in 2014.

      And no sir, Scorpio is not sturdier, neither it 'feels' sturdier. It has always been a 'big' vehicle built at cost using cheap materials, fit and finish. According to the testing agency Global NCAP:

      "The collapse of the structure combined with the lack of airbags explains the score for the adult occupants protection which means that there is high probability of life threatening injuries for at least one of the adult passengers." Link

      Full crash test report: http://www.globalncap.org/wp-content...NO-Airbags.pdf


      Please go through the crash test results carried out on all the Indian cars so far for better information.
      Last edited by Jack Sparrow; 18th May 2016 at 11:59.

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      I completely agree with Nomad here. If the safety requirement set is very low, I would expect all the manufacturers to meet just that. After all, corporations are run to make money. So I wouldn't blame them if they don't offer anything more.

      If some manufacturer exceeds this requirement, then it is their USP. It is up to the customer to buy which USP he/she wants.

      This test provides some awareness to the buyer (if required) and a lesson that big and bulky car does not mean it is safe. Sometimes even cars which are built like thin sheets (Etios) are super safe!
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