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      Buying a used Gyps, is it worth it?

      Hi, Happy New Year to all

      I have liked the Gypsy since my college days and 20 years hence the love is still lingering. I am looking to buy a used Gypsy and I have come across a ex-military restored which is 2005 model with 48K on the odo. The seller is quoting 3.15L for this, I want to know if this is a reasonable price assuming the mechanicals are in order which has to be verified. I have to declare I am a total newbie when it comes to 4x4 vehicles and I don't intend to do any real off-roading, I just want a trouble free vehicle on which I can throw a few MTBs and take it to the trails during weekends and possibly commute occassionally to work.

      It is very difficult to find a good Gypsy which is individually owned and even if I find some the asking price is ridiculously high.

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      Nice to see some 4x4 enthusiast. A used Gypsy that too Mil Disposal which is 2005 model means would have been auctioned in 2015...i.e after 10 years of service and 1,00,000 kms. 48k kms on odo is not understood. You need to ask the seller about it...which I am sure will tell you all sorts of stories. In Mayapuri(Delhi) you get class V vehicles registered again for 15 years for around 1.5 L to 1.8L(though the reliability cannot be assured, the seller may say its next to showroom condition) Now the issue is what sort of restoration was undertaken for this Gypsy? If it is full restoration the way it is supposed to be(I suspect that) then you can be at peace else you will always fighting out the leaks, the rattles, the noises, the judders....etc...etc! In my opinion if you know(real good relations) the guy then you can trust him though the cost he has quoted is quite high. or else if u have patience and technical know how....get an Army auction Gypsy....find a good Maruti auth service centre which is good in Gypsies....go for complete restoration with MGP if u want to have a peace of mind. Auction Gypsy may cost you anything from 60-70 k to 90k depending on your contacts and bargaining power

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      Unfortunately I cannot make out how genuine these offers are so looks like it is better to go for an auctioned Gypsy and get the restoration done. I don't have any knowledge on how to get one from the auction nor no any restoration shops. Any pointers to how easy or difficult this process is would be of great help. I am from Bangalore btw.

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      Quote Originally Posted by billybong View Post
      I cannot make out how genuine these offers
      The Jeep and gypsy market is highly explosive and over hyped market...every seller has one of its kind vehicle offered for sale. The idea behind such sales is making quick money for less investment....as a customer is ready to pay more for his DESIRE, that's what these sellers en cash upon. There are some real genuine restorers who does it for the love and passion of 4x4s. In most cases these offers/claims are not genuine or partially genuine.
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      it is better to go for an auctioned Gypsy and get the restoration done
      If you have some patience, time and money(it will be cheaper then buying a restored Gypsy and later spending money in installments to bring upto your likes and satisfaction) I would suggest to go for un restored civil Gypsy or Army auction one and get full restoration from specialist garage or MASS with MGP only....bit expensive but peace of mind and quality finish.
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      I don't have any knowledge on how to get one from the auction nor no any restoration shops
      South has lot of 4x4 vehicles and shops...Coimbatore,bangluru itself. wait for a few days you will find your answers here. Generally the cost of auctioned Army Gypsy is about 50-60 k....thereafter its your bargaining skill and need of the seller to liquidate his money.
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      Any pointers to how easy or difficult this process is
      Well there's no set answer for this....first you need to acquire the vehicle, need to get the documentation done, need to restore....all in all....its painstaking. and if budget isn't much of constraint then its gets bit easier. Also I would suggest you to stay away if you are just not a serious enough 4x4 enthusiast...as it will burn hole in pocket and if married....chaos at home(unless you entice your better half to be a 4x4 enthu). Google...read restoration threads of jeeps and Gypsies....will give you lot of clues and idea whether to indulge or not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by vehfreak View Post
      auctioned Army Gypsy
      How easy it is to locate such army auctions or get to deal with Army in such auctions?

      This is what I'd eye for if possible. Spend money to get the Gypsy in auction and then restore it the way you like it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rksingh1 View Post
      Spend money to get the Gypsy in auction and then restore it the way you like it.
      or buy one new from the showroom, provided your budget is good enough to fit this in.

      If you are looking to keep the vehicle for more than 5-7 years, this would be the best bet. OTR should be in the range of 7.5lakhs, after 5 years lets say you decide to let it go you can always command a premium and you would have run the vehicle in its prime.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rksingh1 View Post
      How easy it is to locate such army auctions or get to deal with Army in such auctions?
      Quite easy if you know the right person...else leeches are everywhere.

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      Quote Originally Posted by vehfreak View Post
      Well there's no set answer for this....first you need to acquire the vehicle, need to get the documentation done, need to restore....all in all....its painstaking. and if budget isn't much of constraint then its gets bit easier. Also I would suggest you to stay away if you are just not a serious enough 4x4 enthusiast...as it will burn hole in pocket and if married....chaos at home(unless you entice your better half to be a 4x4 enthu). Google...read restoration threads of jeeps and Gypsies....will give you lot of clues and idea whether to indulge or not.
      Assuming I can get a used Gypsy for below 1L, I would be interested if the restoration be done under 2L. And I have plenty of time to wait but the difficult part is how to first get my hands on a good condition auction vehicle.

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      Quote Originally Posted by billybong View Post
      restoration
      Definition of restoration is different for different people. bhvm is right now restoring a Safari and I am sure my way of restoring it will be different than his.

      You can make the engine work in lot less than that. Then it'll be your work on lights, electronics, fabric, paint job etc which you can do in phases in months - don't have to spend all at once. You can also control what and how you restore - by dropping the items not fitting your requirement or budget.

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      Quote Originally Posted by billybong View Post
      Hi, Happy New Year to all

      I have liked the Gypsy since my college days and 20 years hence the love is still lingering. I am looking to buy a used Gypsy and I have come across a ex-military restored which is 2005 model with 48K on the odo. The seller is quoting 3.15L for this, I want to know if this is a reasonable price assuming the mechanicals are in order which has to be verified. I have to declare I am a total newbie when it comes to 4x4 vehicles and I don't intend to do any real off-roading, I just want a trouble free vehicle on which I can throw a few MTBs and take it to the trails during weekends and possibly commute occassionally to work.

      It is very difficult to find a good Gypsy which is individually owned and even if I find some the asking price is ridiculously high.

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      1. I guess your phase is more or less same as mine.
      Bitten By the 4x4 Bug. Now I want one.
      And by all means, Go for it. & good luck!

      2. learning 4x4 is not very hard. Infact having 4x4 capability will make the vehicle easier and more reliable to drive in tough terrain, vs a similar 4x2 vehicle.

      3. Gypsy is mostly trouble free. Engine is very simple and easy to service. Make sure you get Gypsy KING with 1.3L engine and not the older 1.0L ones. What however you have to check are any previous mods. People sometimes make hasty mods so wiring & body becomes a mess due to wiring and drilling etc.

      Other thing to look out is RUST. Maruti steel is not very thick and will quickly eat away into rust holes.

      Quote Originally Posted by dragstar View Post
      or buy one new from the showroom, provided your budget is good enough to fit this in.

      If you are looking to keep the vehicle for more than 5-7 years, this would be the best bet. OTR should be in the range of 7.5lakhs, after 5 years lets say you decide to let it go you can always command a premium and you would have run the vehicle in its prime.

      My Dinosaur: Brand new 2017 Maruti Gypsy King - Team-BHP
      I dont think its possible now, sadly. Bookings have been recently closed If I remember right.

      Quote Originally Posted by billybong View Post
      Assuming I can get a used Gypsy for below 1L, I would be interested if the restoration be done under 2L. And I have plenty of time to wait but the difficult part is how to first get my hands on a good condition auction vehicle.
      1. Nah, Not happening.
      Gypsy is a niche vehicle with lots of fan following. With some hard looking, decent, solid specimens are at about 2 to 2.5L. Mint condition specimens are roughly at 3L.

      2. Restoration. its the fun part. However make sure you have TONS of time and a friendly garage near you. Initial budgets often always go out the window, Both time & money part.

      My suggestion- it would be better to get a decent condition, working gypsy. Get general service done. GO OFFROADING. Once you have grabbed the idea how it works and what precisely you want, You have a better plan & requirements for restoration.

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