Reply With QuoteI would say 30~35K for new bottom half and around 10K for other parts/works...Any mech who has and knows how to use a torque wrench would be good enough to do the carb block swap.Originally Posted by Makecry
So I am getting a zen very soon.After dreaming of engine swaps since I was 16 I guess it's time to realize the dream. Dad is buying me a new car but I am thinking of getting a used zen and then do the engine swap and later ffe.
I am thinking I would get a cheap zen about 10 years old ( can get it extremely cheap). I don't ever intend to sell it and I don't wanna have budget constraints when I get it modded an hence the old car.
I don't wanna install an used esteem engine. I would rather buy a brand new esteem engine block or half engine as they call it if I am not wrong.
Am total noob when it comes to cars. All I have done is install ffe and air filters in my other cars. So I don't understand technical stuff.
I live in navi mumbai so I guess sourcing parts won't be much of a problem.
Can some one point me in correct direction.
I wanna know what all I would need.
The cost break up.
And also the best ppl in the city to carry out the job.
Btw I would prefer a carb engine swap coz of lesser hassles but I won't get em new nowadays right? Tolerate the noob please. Thank you
I would say 30~35K for new bottom half and around 10K for other parts/works...Any mech who has and knows how to use a torque wrench would be good enough to do the carb block swap.
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Thank you.. Had 50k in mind
30-35 for a mpfi/carb? I saw a 2000 model zen today morning. 70k it has run.above average condition. 75k bucks . I think would be a good choice. Also after the swap it would be as new one untenally right?
My dad has a very old 2002 carb 4 speed 800. Am thinking of modifying that too. Which one do you think should I go for first? I like small cars in Mumbai traffic. We own a city and innova but in current traffic condition I better use them for long drives only
My requirements for 800 are
1) most important ---> what can I do to decrease AC load as much as possible? And also get the best possible airconditioner on it.
2) Brakes !!
3) Better ride quality.
4) Increased power.
cost breakup along with time needed would be helpful !!
Dad promised to let me do whatever I want with it if I score good marks
Quite a contradictory statement. Any engine this small will feel the pinch of the A/C and if you install a smaller compressor, you compromise on the cooling capacity.
Heck, even my XD3P jumps back to life if I turn off the A/C.
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The AC is the only reason am going for performance mods
And one of the reason for zen engine swap is also AC
The only possible thing you can do on an m800 is use thinnest and smallest tire possible along with aloys (just to decrease some weight off) and add a good ffe specially customised for low end torque because thats the range which is used the most in city. Rest you cant do much with your m800. Thou I've heard people going for an diesel engine swap in m800. Dont know the make neither the specification but its being done.
Rest with a zen you can never go wrong with an engine swap (provided you go for compatible engines) My advice would be to go the mpfi way. Buy a mpfi zen in the very first place. After that its just plug and play if you go for mpfi swap later and remember, thou the carb is simple then mpfi but still mpfi is anyday better. More refined, more power delivery per litre of fuel, much more efficient, no tuning required, etc etc. Mpfi can balance well between power and fuel efficiency whereas in carbs you can get either power or good mileage figures.
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When were the first zens with mpfi produced?
I don't wanna spend much on the car am buying coz I guess its current condition won't matter once I install the new esteem block right?
As per my knowledge, Mpfi zens started coming during mid 2000. My advice would always be to go for a mpfi. You wont find much difference in price between a 1999 carb car n 2000 or 2001 mpfi car, it hardly have some 5-10k difference. Dont totally neglect the condition of car you want to buy just because you'v planned for an engine swap coz if by chance you happen to get an accidental car, one thing or the other will keep on buzzing you. So better be safe and first try find a sound car, later think about the swap. These are many things in the car except jst the engine. So think about it
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sooo.. is this thread for a zen upgrade or an 800 upgrade?
reading the above posts gets kinda confusing because first you start off with a zen and then pull your dad's 800 in it as well.
suggest you to start another thread for the 800 and keep this for the zen upgrades.
for the Zen i would suggest to get a mpfi block and preferred one which is accident free.
second getting a new block from maruti itself will be a problem and more expensive as well. (VAT will be added
third a food FFE can cost you anywhere 8K upwards.
you can consider the following
engine porting and polish
new injectors
new sparkplugs
cold air intake (not K&N please)
turbo upgrade for future ?
stage 2 clutch
try to retain the zen gearbox.
Fit KBX Brake Booster kit. Sells for Rs.3500 or thereabouts in Chennai. Ask around in spare part shops, they'll have it in stock. This will reduce the effort on the pedal. If you want to increase the road grip as well, then use 155/65 R12 tyres on the stock 12" rims, or upsize to 165/55 R13 on 13" rims. Bridgestone Potenza and Michelin XM1+ (not sure about the availability of the latter) are good choices for rubber.
EDIT:
Godfather says the 165/55 R13 will be a bad idea, so it's better to stick to 155/65 R12, or perhaps 155/60 R13
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