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      Quote Originally Posted by Mustang.101 View Post
      This is the case with all manufacturers. If you have aftermarket parts/accessories and you want to claim warranty for part related to that after market part then it will be denied. Car should be in stock condition for warranty to be valid.

      And you will be in even more trouble if you have upgraded rims and tyre sizes as premature suspension wear/ brake wear/ steering slackness etc. sets in due to a number of factors most importantly the difference in weight of each stock wheel+tyre and aftermarket wheel+tyre.
      Why don't you remove the Ford guy hat and put on a Gearhead one first?

      We all (read enthusiasts), to a certain extent know if/how a mod will affect any part. The case in point being, Ford ikon 1.6 and 1.3 share most of the parts including the suspension. So when the 1.6 came with 14" wheels, 1.3 was provided with 13" as purely a cost cutting measure and has nothing to do with any mechanical reasoning. Now, if I upgrade the rims to 14" in the 1.3, I am pretty sure no drastic effect will occur. The reason being, the original suspension lasted for 40k Kms with these aftermarket rims and tyres. The replacement ones however didn't cross 8k which leads me to believe that the part was of dubious quality. I hope this was a one off case and Ford has not resorted to providing less quality parts to reduce costs.

      Btw, here is another example of attitude problem of the Ford customer care and A.S.S. The exhaust of my car fell down on the road a day after the 50k service. The best part was, they had apparently changed the exhaust mounting. Now, when I question them on this, the answer I get is that I had been billed wrongly and the parts were changed for another Ikon. The A.S.S. offered to refund me Rs.75 (cost of one mounting bush) with not even an apology while i had been charged some 500 for the exhaust mounting parts and labor. The Ford customer care is unusually quiet after I sent them copies of the bill.

      I can share tons of stories about Ford A.S.S. The mistakes might be small but if they happen at an annoying frequency, who will tolerate?

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      ^^ so which Ford ASS is this one if you dont mind sharing ? sounds like one to be avoided like the plague...how can a exhaust fall down for god's sake??

      and to be honest i dont trust any ASS...prefer to go to local mechanics referred by friends...

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      Quote Originally Posted by jaguar View Post

      Why don't you remove the Ford guy hat and put on a Gearhead one first?

      We all (read enthusiasts), to a certain extent know if/how a mod will affect any part. The case in point being, Ford ikon 1.6 and 1.3 share most of the parts including the suspension. So when the 1.6 came with 14" wheels, 1.3 was provided with 13" as purely a cost cutting measure and has nothing to do with any mechanical reasoning. Now, if I upgrade the rims to 14" in the 1.3, I am pretty sure no drastic effect will occur. The reason being, the original suspension lasted for 40k Kms with these aftermarket rims and tyres. The replacement ones however didn't cross 8k which leads me to believe that the part was of dubious quality. I hope this was a one off case and Ford has not resorted to providing less quality parts to reduce costs.

      Btw, here is another example of attitude problem of the Ford customer care and A.S.S. The exhaust of my car fell down on the road a day after the 50k service. The best part was, they had apparently changed the exhaust mounting. Now, when I question them on this, the answer I get is that I had been billed wrongly and the parts were changed for another Ikon. The A.S.S. offered to refund me Rs.75 (cost of one mounting bush) with not even an apology while i had been charged some 500 for the exhaust mounting parts and labor. The Ford customer care is unusually quiet after I sent them copies of the bill.

      I can share tons of stories about Ford A.S.S. The mistakes might be small but if they happen at an annoying frequency, who will tolerate?
      I have nothing to say to you except for the fact that my ford ikon 1.6 suspension lasted 100,000 kms and yours lasted 40,000. Such a massive difference is just not caused by difference in roads, does it.

      Just to let you know that the ikon 1.6 also had 13" wheels in its early days and at that time all suspension parts were common with the 1.3 ikon. But when 14" wheels started coming in 1.6, some suspension parts were changed and toughened and were not common with 1.3 ikon. So you see the 1.3 ikon suspension during the time you bought your car was meant for only 13" wheels

      And as i mentioned in my previous post, that this warranty claim/denial is true for ALL manufacturers.

      Boss, i have sometimes seen whole suspensions and brakes going bad in under 5K kms by using dubious and upgraded wheels.

      Still think i am wearing the ford hat? Then good for you. Its not me who is losing money and time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by fordfan View Post
      so which Ford ASS is this one if you dont mind sharing ? sounds like one to be avoided like the plague...how can a exhaust fall down for god's sake??
      It was Lathangi Ford.

      Quote Originally Posted by Mustang.101 View Post
      I have nothing to say to you except for the fact that my ford ikon 1.6 suspension lasted 100,000 kms and yours lasted 40,000. Such a massive difference is just not caused by difference in roads, does it.
      And the AGM-service of Elite Ford, Bangalore personally tells me that the suspension life is just 20-25k and I was just lucky to have my originals last for 40k. It is such statements from even the higher ups puts the credibility of the entire company at stake.

      Quote Originally Posted by Mustang.101 View Post
      And as i mentioned in my previous post, that this warranty claim/denial is true for ALL manufacturers.
      Boss, i have sometimes seen whole suspensions and brakes going bad in under 5K kms by using dubious and upgraded wheels.
      All manufacturers have such rules. But some just go overboard by not even allowing headlight or bulb upgrade. Are you saying that ALL aftermarket wheels are or dubious quality?
      I upgraded to good quality branded wheels and tyres and went for a size which is used by many in the 1.3. Hence the belief that the upgrade was not the cause of failure.
      But we are going off topic here. This discussion should happen in the thread I had created for the same.
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      Ford has now outsourced all CRM activities to TCS and it shows. I got a letter from TCS with a weird address on it. They have changed my city from Chennai to "Gumidipoondi". The letter reached my address correctly because they managed to get the pin code correct. They want me to renew the car insurance but here comes the kicker. They want me to go to MPL Ford, Pondicherry to renew it. I bet Ford service and TCS are going to be a lethal combination in the future.
      I don't know what's gonna happen man but I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames

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      Quote Originally Posted by muteflower View Post
      Green Geek--when will these norms come into the pic in India..and do you believe that Ford will stop the classic when this is implemented...
      Euro IV was implemented in 13 cities in 2010
      Expect Euro IV implementation nation wide by 2014 and Euro V in major cities by 2015. and nationwide by 2017. (Based on implementation of previous norms)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mustang.101 View Post
      you will get full support from ford regarding parts, service etc.

      We still support all ford escorts and mondeos and fusion ie. the discontinued models. Our company policy is to support cars fully for a period of 15 years after discontinuation.
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      Thank you I have some peace of mind!
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      dont worry, Ford will support it with spare parts / service for at least 5- 7 yrs after it is discontinued...i think Mustang.101 more years....
      But how much will Ford charge for this support. Ford service and spares are really cheap for in production cars. But for discontinued models, it's a different story.
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      Yes that's a good point... Ideally it should be cheap and easily available but that may not be the case in reality

      Tagging jaguar derfaultier (both ikon owners) to get their thoughts on what is the situation for spare parts cost and availability

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      Quote Originally Posted by P3T3R View Post
      But how much will Ford charge for this support. Ford service and spares are really cheap for in production cars. But for discontinued models, it's a different story.

      Not true, some discontinued car parts are expensive but they were equally expensive when the cars were in production. When i bought the ikon, the parts were quite expensive but as on date most of the parts cost much less than that even though the ikon is no longer in production.
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      I see a lot of people upset with the fact that Ford is strict about not allowing any aftermarket alterations to their cars. As an enthusiast I am upset too... I have a major issue with my Figo headlamps which are inadequate and hence I never take the Figo for out of town trips if I have to drive in the night. Same goes for horns too, the lesser said about the ICE, the better. So, my car stays as stock as it came from the factory!

      That said, I can understand where all these restrictions come from. for every enthusiast that will research the components that go in and make sure that the work is done properly, there are at least 10 fools out there that will go to any auto accessory shop and the first thing they do would be to upgrade bulb, fit horn, mujic system, etc. Why is this an issue? well, try cutting a wire and using a thinner than recommended (or inferior) cable... it gets heated up due to the load and over time, can lead to short circuits, and then there's be a "Figo cathces fire!" in the news.

      Suspension issues are not as dramatic but how many people really weigh their rims and tyres and make sure it is not substantially heavier than the stock ones? The suspension is designed to handle certain load (un-sprung mass) and anything above that is going to take a toll on performance as well as life.

      That's why, manufacturers discourage aftermarket accessories and sometimes provide their own branded stuff so you can go in for tried and tested accessories where needed. It's not the 10% (Enthusiasts) that is a problem.... it's the other 90% that is.

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