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      Hi RobC,

      You may want to try put the Turanza ER60 from Bridgestone. I myself got the Turanza GR90 for my TJet+ in 205/55R16 and it meets with all that you have listed in your requirements below. I drove the car from BOM to DEL last week and they easily met with all of the requirements. Longevity one would know with time but being semi hard the Bridgestones traditionally last a long time. Another great tire from BS is the Ecopia, this serves both the 15" and the 16" sizes unlike the ER60 and the GR90 above that cater to the 15" and 16" respectively.

      I would also recommend the Yokohama AVS dB 550. I have these in the exact size that you have i.e. 195/60R15 on my Cedia. Have covered 28000 kms in the last two + years and the tires are still as good as new. The only thing is that these are Unidirectional tires and in an emergency one cannot mount the LHS tires to the RHS or vice versa. For this the spare tire has to be bidirectional or like any other tire in order to be able to be mounted on either side. Apart from that these are true gems, made in Japan and reasonably priced when compared to Michelins and even the Turanzas.

      Quote Originally Posted by RobC View Post
      My Fiat Linea (D) is currently running on stock Accelere's and has covered 38500 kms. I will probably change the tyres when they hit 40k. I am not sure which tyre to go with though.


      - Continuing with stock size (195/60 R15)
      - 50% of roads travelled on will be bad to really bad
      - I dont slow down too much on bad roads
      - Would prefer the tyres to last at least 50k
      - Good grip levels required

      Thanks in advance for suggestions.
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      Replacement tyre for stock Goodyear GT3 for Linea 1.4 Petrol

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      Small introduction before I post my question., Indranil Chakravorty here. Currently residing in Mumbai. Started my relation with pistons since 1998, when I had a Hero Honda CD 100, then Pulsar 150 from 2003 to 2006. Swift VXI from 2007 to 2010. Currently own a Fiat Linea 1400 CC (2010 model). I have been referring gearheads and teamfiat teambhp since long. Although, have never contributed to either yet. The reason I am posting is to get some guidance, advise from you knowledgeable folks.So here goes my query. I am currently looking to replace my old stock GT3. Actually, I am going to Torrid, Andheri to get my left front suspensions checked and repaired as they been making loud noise. Hopefully, once they are fixed, I would get my tyres replaced. Following my secondary research, I went to streets soliciting quotations to select replacement tyres for my stock GT3. I have currently narrowed down to following tyres
      1. Apollo Alnac 4G (Price 4500)
      2. GoodYear Assurance (Similar price)
      3. Yoko AVS DB (Price 5050)


      My initial shortlist also had MY02, ZLO and XM2. Price is a major deterrent and I am hoping nothing can go horribly wrong with any of the above tyres.
      I am more or less leaning towards Apollo Alnac, although there is almost zero reviews available in any forum (Indian/ Other countries). I am pursuing based on good reports on sites such as (Snowcontrol Serie 3 - Test Results - Car Tyres, Motorcycle Tyres, Truck Tyres, Motorsport tyres - PIRELLI INTERNATIONAL Apollo Alnac 4g | the Apollo Alnac 4g reviewed and rated - TyreReviews). It has done pretty well in quite a few tests. Also, it has been the OEM for VW across globe. I want to know about its handling while cornering at high speeds, as the material would be softer than say GT3. Also, doubts remain about its durability and reliability.
      Any advice?
      My selection criteria is:-
      1. Confidence while cornering
      2. Good braking, grip (wet, dry, gravel)
      3. Price max 5500 per tyre
      I do drive fast (hit 80-110 on eastern expressway in Mumbai, 120-140 on highways) albeit following all traffic regulations.

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      Quote Originally Posted by neelchak View Post
      1. Apollo Alnac 4G (Price 4500)
      Get these. Way better than the other 2 and the GT3s as well.
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      Thanks Mclaren,
      Do you have any experience with Alnac 4g yourself? I am more or less convinced that it would be very grippy tyres. However, I want to know how they would perform in avoiding body roll and provding confidence while cornering at high speeds. High Comfort and Low noise are not really on my agenda.
      What scares me is this very negative feedback on Alnac 4g on gearheads
      "1. Tyres – they are horrible when driven hard over long distances. The car came with Apollo Alnac, which initially felt good. Even in the regular drives or short yet hard stints, they really held up. But on a long drive, I guess (let me be an F1 driver for sometime) they easily go out of their optimal operating window, and then the car starts understeering a lot more, braking distance increases and overall confidence level deteriorates. With the ESP off things were a bit better, but they are gumboots after a few 100 kms. Period. "
      < Story of the dancing needles - VW Polo GT TSI test drive - Page 2 >

      This makes me wonder if I should restrict my selection between Assurance and AVS DB?
      Mclaren, would you still advise me to go for Alnac 4g. I would opt for stock size 195/60/15. Would really appreciate your guidance sir.
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      Sandeep ( SGM) is a mad driver

      Not only does he drive a Polo GT TDI which is insanely powerful, but he drives through some of the toughest, most challenging ghat sections in South India to drive fast on. That said he's a brilliant driver and he too also admits that he likes entering corners at very high speeds and braking mid corner etc. Any tyre will tend to show signs of struggle with that driving style and on those roads. Even the best of tyres fall short on the Kumily to Pala section if pushed hard.

      The Alnacs are anyday better than Assurance or dB. If you want better grip then look at Maxxis MA-Z1S or Goodyear Eagle F1 or Vredestein Ultra Cento.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post

      The Alnacs are anyday better than Assurance or dB. If you want better grip then look at Maxxis MA-Z1S or Goodyear Eagle F1 or Vredestein Ultra Cento.

      Thanks Mclaren,
      Your good word definitely gives me more 'assurance' in dumping assurance in favor of Alnac.
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      neelchak - can you share where in Mumbai you got these prices? They are certainly good.

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      Quote Originally Posted by neelchak View Post
      Thanks Mclaren,
      What scares me is this very negative feedback on Alnac 4g on gearheads
      "1. Tyres – they are horrible when driven hard over long distances. The car came with Apollo Alnac, which initially felt good. Even in the regular drives or short yet hard stints, they really held up. But on a long drive, I guess (let me be an F1 driver for sometime) they easily go out of their optimal operating window, and then the car starts understeering a lot more, braking distance increases and overall confidence level deteriorates. With the ESP off things were a bit better, but they are gumboots after a few 100 kms. Period. "
      < Story of the dancing needles - VW Polo GT TSI test drive - Page 2 >
      Let me clarify it a bit more.

      These tyres are not bad always. Just that they do not suit my kind of driving style, where I rely (and lean and load) a lot on the fronts. I always wanted the car pointed in the right direction without any understeer.

      My issue was more of a combination of Polo GT TSI (not TDI Mclaren) with a relatively soft suspension and Alnacs. I really do not know (and don't think either) the situation would be any better with a Michelin Energy XM2 either (I had these on my old Swift.. Mclaren - it is gone now and has found a new home). Potenza G3s felt a lot better in these situations.

      Again, as i mentioned in my thread, these are good tyres and hold up reasonably; unless pushed hard continuously (into situations where you see the FE numbers plummeting from 18+ km/l to a 13 overall in not so long a stretch).

      One of the areas where I do not try to compete with anyone is tyre and brake life. I am pretty bad at that. And my driving style is the sole reason. Guess it is time to change (sigh)


      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      Sandeep ( SGM) is a mad driver

      Any tyre will tend to show signs of struggle with that driving style and on those roads. Even the best of tyres fall short on the Kumily to Pala section if pushed hard.
      Mclaren has driven on this stretch multiple times as well. and I can tell you, it is a combination of ghat stretch, camber changes, mid corner braking and above all ME which kills the tyres.

      Fast sweeping corners, Alnacs can easily take it.
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      @ Guru, the prices I have quoted are from different places. Ghatkopar and Sion Koliwada. Dont know the store names. Just stores I noticed while driving. Know their exact location and contacts if you want.

      Thanks SGM. I would want to bug you some more please.
      Are you saying the tyres stop being 1. grippy and 2. good in handling cornering at high speeds - when driven continuously at high speeds?
      I make regular long trips and I drive continuously at speeds of 120-140 on highways. My driving style involves continuous lane switching (always with indicators). I have driven Mumbai - Delhi in 29 hours with a break of 8 hours in between. Long drives at continuous high speeds are the reason I am going for a tyre change. I have done nearly 28k, which I would think is lower than avg for the life of GT3 and they require replacement.
      I want to know if Alnac 4g would suit me. GT3 did great for me till about 20k. JK Tornadoes on my swift were bad for me and BS Potenza G3 on the same swift was much better. I dont want to go for GT3 because their treads are prone to these microscopic errors which make allignment a nightmare. Its apparently a know problem with some of the Goodyears.
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      Quote Originally Posted by neelchak View Post
      Thanks SGM. I would want to bug you some more please.
      Are you saying the tyres stop being 1. grippy and 2. good in handling cornering at high speeds - when driven continuously at high speeds?
      I make regular long trips and I drive continuously at speeds of 120-140 on highways. My driving style involves continuous lane switching (always with indicators). I have driven Mumbai - Delhi in 29 hours with a break of 8 hours in between. Long drives at continuous high speeds are the reason I am going for a tyre change. I have done nearly 28k, which I would think is lower than avg for the life of GT3 and they require replacement.
      Not exactly. Hard driving with continuous loading of the front tyres (like late braking, aggressive turn-ins etc) at speeds, is the culprit. For lane changing, you would not go through this kind of load and there is no sudden variation of speed and braking involved.

      In the conditions mentioned above - read it as being aggressive on the front tyres - they tend to lose grip and understeer quite a bit. please note, this is compounded by the soft and understeery suspension setup of the Polo as well.
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