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      Question K12 engine issues

      Hi, recently due to some unfortunate events, our ritz's petrol K12 engine seized at a remote place. I had the car towed to the nearest big service center and gave the go ahead for the engine overhaul. I have just been told that the car is ready, and I will be collecting it tomorrow or day after.
      Now, I am extremely naive as far as engine overhauling is concerned. I can identify the basic parts, but beyond that I have very limited experience w.r.t. engine overhauls.
      Can anyone help me identify where all I have been taken for a ride? I am attaching the main parts bill for reference. It had 2 irrelevant things which are sort of common with all M.A.S.S.'s which I had knocked off, but I am still doubtful whether there is something else that needs to be looked into. Please ignore the fuel lid part, since that was a specific complaint.
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      If your engine had seized, the parts replaced look ok to me. Just make sure to ask them to do a compression test and show you that all 4 cylinders are showing within 1-2psi of each other.
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      I had 80k for my Honda City Zx after it ran a few mts without engine oil :|
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      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      the parts replaced look ok to me.
      I have been told by my mechanic that the con rod assembly has to replaced in a full set (4 in this case) else the balance of the engine goes for a toss. Is this true? I will ask for the comparison report for sure. Thanks a lot.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aashish2137 View Post
      I had 80k for my Honda City Zx after it ran a few mts without engine oil
      Yup, honda parts are insanely expensive via A.S.S... almost euro car like... In fact, I was surprised to note that the parts of nissan are a lot cheaper in general.

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      I dont get why they need to change the conrods. In the worst case, the upper bushings can be changed. What are lower and upper crankshaft bearing? In all if they have changed all those parts, they have done a good job. Did they give the old parts back to you?
      Does the car have a balancing axle?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Indian View Post
      I dont get why they need to change the conrods. In the worst case, the upper bushings can be changed. What are lower and upper crankshaft bearing? In all if they have changed all those parts, they have done a good job. Did they give the old parts back to you?
      Does the car have a balancing axle?
      My mechanic said the same thing about the con rods. He mentioned that sitting here (the car is 500kms away), one cannot say what is necessary to be changed. What he did say is if at all con rods have to be changed, then they should be changed in a full set. Is this true?

      As far as the bearings are concerned, since I have very little knowledge w.r.t. engine's, I am not the best person to tell you. My mechanic however mentions that the bearings part of the job is all right (even though I am personally suspicious). I have sent someone to collect the car tomorrow, and I have instructed him to get all the parts which were changed to be taken from the service center.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Simple_car View Post
      then they should be changed in a full set. Is this true?
      This is true. Con rods are sold as a set and are colour coded but still I cant see what could go wrong with them if the engine seized. The crankshaft upper and lower bearings could be a wrong description. He might mean the camshaft bearings and a balancing axle bearing as I dont see a post stating camshaft bearings as these should be changed in the case of a seizure.
      I would call then and tell them you want all the original parts back so you can check the part numbers stamped on them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Simple_car View Post
      Hi, recently due to some unfortunate events, our ritz's petrol K12 engine seized at a remote place.
      How did it seize? Loss of oil? How?

      Quote Originally Posted by Simple_car View Post
      What he did say is if at all con rods have to be changed, then they should be changed in a full set. Is this true?
      Not necessary only damaged rods needs to be changed and con rod assy is not sold as a set of four; but one rod assy is sold as a set which has 1) the rod, 2) lower bearing cap and 3) the two bolts. If all four rods were damaged then obviously all needs to be changed. In your case they changed only two rods.

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      What are lower and upper crankshaft bearing?
      Upper and lower bearing shells.

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      Does the car have a balancing axle?
      If you meant the balancer shaft, then no.

      I hope they haven't used the Anabond RTV silicone excessively in the sump/or in the block. Excessive RTV silicone sealant will squeeze out from in between mating surface and form blobs/beads on either side of the mating parts, and if any of this thick excess silicone on the inside of the engine come apart it might clog the oil passage ways and risk oil circulation failure. Maruti recommends (in their workshop manual) two Suzuki Bond xxxx (xxxx denotes number) sealants for engine reassembly, and these are a lot more expensive and probably the workshop doesn't stock them. Suzuki bond i guess is a Suzuki branded sealant made by Three Bond.

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      Quote Originally Posted by supaCrank View Post
      How did it seize? Loss of oil? How?
      Stone broke the oil filter...oi drained out, and then being in a remote road which was a single lane, had to drive the car for 500 mtrs. to a nearby petrol pump; else the road would have been blocked. It is the driver's fault here.

      Quote Originally Posted by supaCrank View Post
      Not necessary only damaged rods needs to be changed and con rod assy is not sold as a set of four
      I have been made to understand that con rods are not things which damage easily even during engine seizures. My mech is of the opinion that even the crankshaft shouldn't have been changed, and he still insists that con rods shouldn't have been changed or all should have been changed to maintain balance. I, personally do not know whom to believe. A.S.S. or my mech.
      In any case, I had no option since the car is very far away from home and there is little I can do.

      Quote Originally Posted by supaCrank View Post
      I hope they haven't used the Anabond RTV silicone excessively in the sump/or in the block.
      Yes, this has been pointed out to me as well. I have already mentioned this to the mechanic over at the A.S.S., and he has assured me that they have not used excessive silicone. However, at this stage, I will not be able to verify till another 2-3 months till the car comes back to me.

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