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      Thumbs up Racedynamics DieselTRONIC - 2010 Ford Figo 1.4

      Hi Everyone,

      This is my first performance mod on my car [ March'10 Figo] . This post must've come up here as soon as i joined GH but it got delayed .
      The whole decision making process was done mostly based on GH threads and comments .

      So ,after months of accumulation of vitamin M , I finally took the plunge on 18th July'13. I mailed the RD guys and they pointed me towards Raghav @ Ignite.
      Now before that i asked some people(@nitin for instance and Anandv267 ) for their opinions on my decision Thus began the biggest confusion in my life. Remaps Vs. Tuning Boxes. So i'm trying to make that decision easier for you.

      If you aren't much of a modding type of person ( Like i was ) do check out this thread .I'm pretty sure i know it by heart now

      Tuning Boxes :

      Boxes Considered :

      1)PSI ( Petes )
      2)Race Dynamics - Diesel TRONIC
      3)Racechip - Germany

      There are many other boxes out in the market but for me reliability and service comes first than any performance gains. Now reliability is a VERY big factor as we are going above OE's Rail Pressure and the FOS ( Factor Of Safety ) is coming down.

      Racechip is just getting a mention here for the sheer number of people across different forums who are having it without any issues . Controlling the rail pressure requires you to open up the box and change it. Racechip also makes pretty tall claims @ 91 HP & 235 NM (Which is actually higher than a Kiirus remap ) But then again i guess this is the max limit and Racechip defaultly comes in a tuned down version. But as the saying goes " Shit Happens ". And when it does one cannot travel to germany or keep on mailing them to get a solution. So Thumbs down here.

      Now Pete's box seemed a very safe bet considering their reputation in the tuning scene and its an Injection Modulation type too !. But while surfing i found a Fiesta 1.6S with injectors gone kaput where Pete's refunded him (Might be an one -off thing i guess ). At 40K ( Approx.) to just get some steroids seemed way above my budget. Considering the fact that i'm still in college rules out the one-off splurging option too. I'll probably be done saving this amount when i graduate. So Thumbs - CRASHING- down.

      Now Race Dynamics will be reviewed last. Obvious Enough Reasons.

      Remaps

      1) Kiirus
      2) Tune - o - Tronics ( TOT )

      There are many other people who remap but these are the names which came up again and again in various forums. There is a Figo on T-BHP/GH running on TOT ( Search ). Reviews were highly impressive.While speaking from an Engineering point of view Remaps seemed to be the way to go. It sounded more wholesome and less risky in a way.

      There were threads where people had shifted from a kiirus map to a TOT Map and were highly satisfied.
      Kiirus Maps are supposedly MAD.While TOT Remaps gave the maximum consumer satisfaction.

      Ground Reality So this is what i said to myself " You own a Ford Figo not a Mustang . Not even a Focus for that matter. So spending 40k to shave off a second in your 0- 100 timings is out of question. At Least until you earn.
      And the engine itself cannot handle too much more power / torque too.
      But you are enthusiast and matching up with your MJD owning friends is understandable.Decide keeping all this in mind "

      A TOT remap costs me 28k approx. with unlimited number of fine tunings. IMHO thats a fair deal. I've never driven a remapped car before nor a chipped. So i only know theoretically remaps should fetch you better gains. They do so even in practical scenarios but the question is how much more than a tuning box.

      I came across a Figo which had DieselTRONIC and later shifted to a remap ( Code 6 Tuning : riyaz_cobra ?) as he was a bit disappointed with the power increase in the former.

      My car is more than 3 years old so i need not care about warranty. But i still do care about my engine .

      The Deal Breakers :

      1)If I buy the dieseltronics box and i could sell it afterwards (resale value ) while the remaps cant be sold.
      2)When/If i go for higher studies i could probably fit it to dad's Rapid and he'll still more enjoy the car.( Now Mi10 's car is changing my mind )
      3)Unlike the RaceChip where its a pain to change the boost ( pressure) settings , in RD's box this can conveniently be done on a remote on the fly. Of Course you only have 4 choices here.
      4) A three and a half year old car with more than 55k on the ODO is not going to stay in the family for long.

      The E mode isn't a deal breaker for me as i really wouldn't spend 20k to drive in a much more sedated car (Read many posts where E mode is practically undrivable)

      Why the Box over Remaps ?

      I had gained enough confidence about TOT and Sid to do a remap.
      For me 8k more is a lot of money and i decided though a remap would be better i would not get the VFM as much as the box.

      So guys if your budgets can be little stretched and are looking for the pinnacle of performance then Remap is the way to go.

      But if you value the VFM criteria and you are okay if you are a bit slower than a remapped car then go for DieselTRONIC eyes shut.

      Better drivability is what one should be looking for not the Sprint run timings. If you are looking like that, trust me you have a mild surprise. But if you are looking for something like a Nitrous kind of performance mod, disappointment awaits.

      THE ACTUAL REVIEW

      The P2 map was customised a bit and the box finally arrived on Saturday Morning . I was doing speeds of 80 -120 while driving to Ignite to get the boxed fixed. Thus the engine was very hot and the Rail Pressure sensorconnector could not be reached before the engine had cooled down. This translated into a 40 Minute wait . inally the box was fixed and a TD was done with Mr.Raghav . The car was began in S mode. Then P1 came in . Then the P2 . Now Raghav was driving the car and warned that the P2 is wild enough and i could feel the pull whenever he floored it and that I should refrain from continuous usage in the same. Then i was behind the wheel.

      I drove in stock for a few metres and pressed P1 :

      The car accelerates excellently till 50 in stock mode . I did not find much change till 30 . Cross 40 and the turbo begins its song . For the past few seconds i am feeling the 0 to 50 Surge , So i glanced up @ the Speedo. It was hitting 100 + . Now Figo owners will know what i'm talking about. 100 comes slow and 120 crawls in. Now i'm doing 100+ and i've not even floored it.

      Then i dropped off Raghav and he parted with " Drive Safe and a wink ".

      So my home is in velachery. So i've got little of ECR + Good amount of OMR + excellent road which connects to OMR from Kovilambakkam.

      Mode P2:
      Gears slotted. Accelerator Floored.
      Now the thing is, to actually know the difference between P1 and P2 you have to make sure you are above 2k rpm. Go past 60 to let P2 amaze you. The car goes on pulling until you let go of the accelerator.
      The 0-40 Surge of the Figo is continued right into 120s . The car gets a sense of impatience and has this urge to keep pulling. Yeah Getz Feeling. Drivability is AWESOME. Almost on par with my stock Rapid ( Okay , Exaggeration a bit ). A remap might put it on par though.

      Now i don't downshift much . The car doesn't shudder when it does 40 in 5th gear. The car has definitely become smooth. So smooth that when you upshift late ( say @ 3.5k) you don't jerk the car. At All.

      Now that i was really satisfied in the performance department i pressed E.

      This might come as a shocker but i kind of find E is actually as good as stock. Infact I like driving at E when i'm not power hungry. There is good power. It's a little better than stock infact. Mileage Figures need to looked at soon.

      Stock top speed : 158 KMPH @ 4.5k rpm( ODO ) Past this its as if fuel is being cut off .[ Engine temperature hits about 105 ]

      Top Speed with box is still to be measured.

      At the end of the day I really did not expect this much change from a tuning box. Excellent work by Race Dynamics. One of the very few indian products which are better than their foreign competitors. VFM product. The saved 8k ( in comparison with a TOT remap) is translating into a Front Windscreen film (3M Colour Stable SP35) and an arrowhead filter .

      Mileage :

      It has always been a problem for my car . Stock = 9-11 ; P1 = 12-13 ; P2 = 12 ; E = I will never know .
      All figures have been calculated by the good ol' tank to tank method .

      Disadvantages :

      1) My 20k old brake pads are already worn out. [ Thanks to the TDing people ]
      2) The gear lever got stuck in 3rd on OMR and a broken bush had to be changed i guess .Now i do not know if aggressive shifts have lead to this but probably not . I've had a fair share of reliability issues with ford .

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      That's the Reliability : Fuel tank falls off in the middle of the road .

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      Off the top of my head threads & comments by the following people influenced my decision greatly :
      Ripper Techie mclaren1885 S.KUMAR Evolution88 Digital Vampire riyaz_cobra 007



      Looking forward to #chennai meets now .
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      Very Well written and have fun with the box
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      Thanks for the insight into your thoughts. I am still of the opinion that I would rather save money and get a remap than a tuning box. My dad doesn't care about the performance, and I wouldn't like to keep up with my MJD friends (not that any of us have one ) since I am not the racer-boy types. I like driving fast but I do not race on public roads especially with my friends.
      Curious to know how did you convince your dad to let you buy the box? I mean at ~20k, it is still expensive.

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      Stock = 9-11 ; P1 = 12-13 ; P2 = 12
      Pretty ghastly figures for the car. I have a 2010 figo as well. The f.e. in bombay traffic hovers around 13-14, and by traffic I mean real bad traffic. I am aware that you have already mentioned this concern in the other thread, however I just want to state that it is true that certain 2010 figo's have this f.e. issues which are not being rectified by ford. Mine also has the same problem. F.e. just doesn't go beyond 14 in city no matter how saint-like I drive.

      Else, the issues with ford which you have stated are not surprising at all. Ford's QC is not good at all. This is the only brand where I insist on getting extended warranty (I don't take it even on Mahindra's).

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      Quote Originally Posted by KRRaj View Post
      Very Well written and have fun with the box
      Thank You . Have fun with your new american lass too !

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      Quote Originally Posted by Simple_car View Post
      Thanks for the insight into your thoughts. I am still of the opinion that I would rather save money and get a remap than a tuning box. My dad doesn't care about the performance, and I wouldn't like to keep up with my MJD friends (not that any of us have one ) since I am not the racer-boy types. I like driving fast but I do not race on public roads especially with my friends.
      Curious to know how did you convince your dad to let you buy the box? I mean at ~20k, it is still expensive.
      Pretty ghastly figures for the car. I have a 2010 figo as well. The f.e. in bombay traffic hovers around 13-14, and by traffic I mean real bad traffic. I am aware that you have already mentioned this concern in the other thread, however I just want to state that it is true that certain 2010 figo's have this f.e. issues which are not being rectified by ford. Mine also has the same problem. F.e. just doesn't go beyond 14 in city no matter how saint-like I drive.
      Else, the issues with ford which you have stated are not surprising at all. Ford's QC is not good at all. This is the only brand where I insist on getting extended warranty (I don't take it even on Mahindra's).
      If you aren't very particular about performance why would you go for a remap over the box ? For the safety factor of a properly done remap ? And by 'keeping up with my MJD friends' i didn't exactly mean street racing.

      About the convincing part , I actually saved up money cutting costs here and there . So one fine day i told him i have got so much money saved up over these many months and i'm buying a box . He was pretty understanding about it surprisingly .

      I've posted the exact same thing on the FE thread

      I was thinking of 3rd party servicing so i didn't go for the extended warranty . On the last week of warranty i had my whole A/C unit changed under warranty though .

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      Dude, come again! Did you say SP35 VLT sun film on your front windscreen? Man, how do you drive?

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      Nice write up icyspikey covers up many points that would solve queries for many on the same path.

      Quote Originally Posted by icyspikey View Post
      DieselTRONIC and later shifted to a remap ( Code 6 Tuning : riyaz_cobra ?
      I think Riyaz had a Racechip then moved to a Remap.

      Quote Originally Posted by icyspikey View Post
      But i still do care about my engine .
      Then you would drive like me

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      Almost on par with my stock Rapid ( Okay , Exaggeration a bit
      Ahem ahem !!

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      1) My 20k old brake pads are already worn out. [ Thanks to the TDing people ]
      Your welcome

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      Mama's are coming for you. Just wait and watch.

      Quote Originally Posted by TurboCharged View Post
      how do you drive?
      He doesn't

      DIESELTRONIC REVIEW : From a person who had never driven a Diesel Figo before.
      Well the first time I drove Varun's figo.. ahmm . lets just say I wasn't in my senses and still I could feel the difference between the maps. P2 was really good, it would be a good MJD smoking map coupled with Figo's handling. P1 is the actual gem. The car in stock felt very under powered to me, it made me shift to 1st gear in places I would have gone in 2nd but this is where P1 shines most; it makes up for all this. IMHO P1 is what ford should sell as stock. It was good for city driving where you could just pull away with a tap on the pedal. It was a good combination for sedate + rash driving. Now P2 is a totally different story here when you compare P2 to stock its a whole new game; throttle response is much much better and the car pulls you away. P2 was highly enjoyable, although I cannot seem to get the words to describe (maybe I need another TD) it it was something which gave more justice to the FIGO. I TD'd P2 in besant nagar and I drove past theosophical society and to those who know the road there is a c shaped curve where if you have a great handling car you can have some good fun and i threw the figo into this curve and with P2 it was sheer joy. Although a remapped Figo would have been better with this I cant complain. The only negative that this has it that after a certain point when you keep acceleration the torque dies down noticeably but I guess that's just the capabilities of the box. Overall verdict ...Well it serves as the Ideal Mod for a person who has varied greed for power. Overall I think this was a great VFM product for Varun.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TurboCharged View Post
      Man, how do you drive?
      I'll post a picture from inside tomorrow man . It's actually pretty comfortable to drive .

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      Quote Originally Posted by nitin View Post
      Mama's are coming for you. Just wait and watch.
      Haha ! You will pay if i am caught

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      Then you would drive like me
      You ??! Simple_car Please meet Chennai's street racer : nitin
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      I think Riyaz had a Racechip then moved to a Remap.
      Just Checked his thread . Yep .
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      torque dies down noticeably
      I guess you are used too used to your remapped Swift Vxi. Redlining is literally pointless here . Past 4k there is really nothing waiting for you except disappointment . Having said that remapped cars have better linearity in torque unlike mine .

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      Quote Originally Posted by icyspikey View Post
      You will pay if i am caught
      Then you put 1% then ill consider.
      Simple_car meet The worlds first person to buy performance tuning box and drive slower !!


      Quote Originally Posted by icyspikey View Post
      Redlining is literally pointless here
      Still too used to petrol cars.
      Quote Originally Posted by icyspikey View Post
      Past 4k there is really nothing waiting for you except disappointment
      True. But if I remember correctly between 2400 and 3300 was the sweet spot of your car.
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