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      Guys, always thought about this point and since we have a thread on Airbags alone...i'm just letting this go here.

      Let's say in a car with a life span of 15 years...how many times does an Airbag deploy / come into use? may be once, twice, thrice or whatever number it may be..

      The question is once the manufacturer squeezes this airbag inside the unit (steering wheel, dashboard, curtain side etc) does any one at the service center / garage where you usually take your car for a service do a random check and ensure that this security feature will in fact work on an impact as intended?

      Or are we all just relying on some equipment which becomes a dud after a while and will end up killing one instead of saving lives

      Please feel free to comment and share your view on the same
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      LOL!

      Lvramanan is spot on about air bags. In most latest cars, they do not open unless proper seatbelts are worn ( I mean everyone is wearing them, Not just one random fellow). High end cars have pre-tensioners that pull torso away from the Airbag Forces.
      The force itself is like a small explosion. So Airbags are a little controversial tech that save lives but could deface you temporarily.
      So ladies... Make your choice. Life or scars?

      Thanks Jacksparrow and s13 for giving this thread an air of Lightness and fun.

      If the man's chest is indeed like hanuman, it may permanently open. what remains to be seen if he has the guts to close the chest too. LOL.

      P.S- I remembered an incident of last year.
      A Brand new ecosport at the speed of 120 crashed. About 5 college freshers were thrown out of the car. Everyone had serious injuries and broken limbs. The parents were cursing why the airbags did not open and all. I silently told him, "Did they all Wear Seatbelt"? Then he went on cursing himself and the kids.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Queensyrche View Post
      Guys, always thought about this point and since we have a thread on Airbags alone...i'm just letting this go here.

      Let's say in a car with a life span of 15 years...how many times does an Airbag deploy / come into use? may be once, twice, thrice or whatever number it may be..

      The question is once the manufacturer squeezes this airbag inside the unit (steering wheel, dashboard, curtain side etc) does any one at the service center / garage where you usually take your car for a service do a random check and ensure that this security feature will in fact work on an impact as intended?

      Or are we all just relying on some equipment which becomes a dud after a while and will end up killing one instead of saving lives

      Please feel free to comment and share your view on the same
      Airbag is closely Monitored by the ECU. The series resistances is measured to check if there is any change in wiring due to water, rat bite etc.

      However, there is really nothing to monitor the health of Explosives itself. I do believe they are FAR higher quality than regular fireworks. But things like Water damage could damage these, requiring a replacement. Everything else is a matter of debate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Queensyrche View Post
      The question is once the manufacturer squeezes this airbag inside the unit (steering wheel, dashboard, curtain side etc) does any one at the service center / garage where you usually take your car for a service do a random check and ensure that this security feature will in fact work on an impact as intended?
      Before attempting to discover the answer, try to find the appropriate question first.

      What is the way to know? Claim of regular checkup made by car company? Claim made by service guy? Can you trust either of them in India? If no then the debate on your question is over.

      If answer is yes, you can trust their words then I would say the greatest mysteries in the world remain hidden, we trust Modi ji's claim of attack on black-money and support demonetisation but nobody knows where is Mahesh Shah, the guy from Gujarat who declared black money worth Rs 13,000 crores of other big fishes claiming it was his his own. Now say, do you believe it was attack on black-money?



      Quote Originally Posted by Lvramanan View Post
      Sensible driving + seat belts + Sane speeds will save us than a airbag itself.
      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      In most latest cars, they do not open unless proper seatbelts are worn
      Few days back came along reading a travel article based on driving in hilly areas where it advocated not wearing seatbelts. Basis of the advise was opinion of locals of hilly areas who defend their logic by saying that most of the accidents take place on the narrow and twisty hilly roads aren't head-on. Usually vehicles fallen down the roads, deep in the valleys. If you are buckled up then chances you will also fall down and torn apart with the vehicle to achieve the Nirvana. But if not then chances are that you will be thrown out of the windows and get stuck somewhere in trees to remain alive and imprisoned in the "Mayaajaal". It was a brainfart at the moment I read it, it changed my opinion about seatbelts.



      Quote Originally Posted by Queensyrche View Post
      Or are we all just relying on some equipment which becomes a dud after a while and will end up killing one instead of saving lives
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      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      High end cars have pre-tensioners that pull torso away from the Airbag Forces.
      Well, so it has to be farrago of lot of money, high end tech, pre-tensioners, and we thought our search of being safe ends at the airbags.




      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      The parents were cursing why the airbags did not open and all. I silently told him, "Did they all Wear Seatbelt"? Then he went on cursing himself and the kids.
      Now see, your reactions depend on the thoughts going on in the mind at that time. He heard that Airbags save life, so went ga-ga why the the airbags didn't deploy. You heard seatbelts save lives, thus injected your idea in his brain and he started cursing himself for not using seatbelts despite of paying for them.


      Looks like It's all about matter of who succeeds in exploiting the situation at the moment one is in dilemma.


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      I loved this option in poll - "No One Can Turn The Destiny - Jo Likha Hai Vo Hokar Rahega"! LOL
      After taking all of the above in consideration, I have decided to vote for that option.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Queensyrche View Post
      Guys, always thought about this point and since we have a thread on Airbags alone...i'm just letting this go here.

      Let's say in a car with a life span of 15 years...how many times does an Airbag deploy / come into use? may be once, twice, thrice or whatever number it may be..

      The question is once the manufacturer squeezes this airbag inside the unit (steering wheel, dashboard, curtain side etc) does any one at the service center / garage where you usually take your car for a service do a random check and ensure that this security feature will in fact work on an impact as intended?

      Or are we all just relying on some equipment which becomes a dud after a while and will end up killing one instead of saving lives

      Please feel free to comment and share your view on the same
      Recently there was news about airbags being too small to prevent injuries. car manufacturers are always trying to reduce cost. I am not sure the airbags they use - at least in hatchbacks < 10L are worth it. In any case like in Final Destination, death will strike in mysterious ways if you escape a crash, so better to die in car crash than die of fright.

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      On a serious note i guess.

      Airbags is not a fool proof system.They do help in increasing the chances of survival in case of accident.But the main thing is the own vehicle speed incase of both we hit or other person cars hit at us.

      For example i am at a speed lf say 60 kmph and another vehicle with bare-bones safety features at 120 kmph, Who will have better chances of survival

      Another case of recent of previous year Bajaj manager being killed in his BMW with his wife.So own speeds play a major role in deciding the faith of the occupants in car

      Another possibility is many cases Airbags not deploying . The manufacturer say "You didn't hit at the airbag sensor " ,So the person at 120 kmph in drunk state think that in left there is sensor i should​ hit at tree, building from that side.

      Manufacturer should deploy more instead of giving useless, half baked features they should focus on their buyers safety.

      Only two companies in non premium cars have done commendable work
      1) Toyota .See innova, fortuner driver knee airbag
      2) Mahindra though less popular models lack in safety features they didn't Shy away in providing​ them in Xuv
      3) 6 Airbags in each range.Can anyone tell me ?



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      I seriously think its high time we educate indian consumer that touchscreen Hu, Climate control ain't gonna sabe your life.

      Main thing need to standard in each car.Even if increase cost by 1 lakh or even more.Let it be.Leave the consumer demand.According to me are ( Members can add more )

      1) Strong big bumper,i mean negligent bumper in hatchback and compact sedan
      2)Better a ,b pillars
      3) Pedestrian safety to be kept in mind
      4) 2 Airbag
      5) Abs, Electric stability control
      6) Illuminated power windows
      7) Strong headlight instead of halogen bulbs which are dim , shift to leds etc .Also cornering headlight

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
      But if not then chances are that you will be thrown out of the windows and get stuck somewhere in trees to remain alive and imprisoned in the "Mayaajaal".
      If you're a Tarzan yes you can jump out & hang on some tree to save yourself or be a spiderman & hit the web on some rock at a distance & save yourself & your car.

      Jacky on a troll mode No point in discussing seriously

      Quote Originally Posted by AMG Style View Post
      Main thing need to standard in each car.Even if increase cost by 1 lakh or even more.Let it be.Leave the consumer demand.According to me are ( Members can add more )
      You forgot to add one important point. Good Structural strength to absorb G-Forces in case of a crash. I'm sure none of the Maruti cars made of tin can Aluminium foil is going to come out safe in case of such crashes sans S-Cross which is fairly decent.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lvramanan View Post
      Jacky on a troll mode



      Quote Originally Posted by Lvramanan View Post
      Good Structural strength to absorb G-Forces in case of a crash.
      Watch it and imagine a normal street car, even a German one does like this, passengers are buckled up, ho much chances of survival?






      But this was an race car with solid roll cage built of very high stretch steel. Thus the drive and co-drive both came out uninjured.

      Roll cage





      We don't get roll cage in street cars.

      Forget, a normal car buyer in India doesn't even care about structure and materials used in the construction of it, can't expect him about being educated about design and engineering involved.




      Many people still think a 2000 KG Mahindra Scorpio is far sturdier than a tiny Polo. many skip Xuv and choose Scorpio for normal road usage ignoring the fact that Xuv is monocoque/uni-body construction which is far safer than Scorpion, not only in terms of crash but driving dynamics and handling which offer better control during panic maneuvers.

      ndia:










      Thing is who can do the better marketing, that will sell.

      Nobody can see and verify the materials used in the internal structure. High strength costs lot, airbags are still cheaper. Some adds already have started appearing which try to convince that number of airbags contribute in safety and we offer more number of airbags over competition.



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      Quote Originally Posted by rksingh1 View Post
      I loved this option in poll - "No One Can Turn The Destiny - Jo Likha Hai Vo Hokar Rahega"! LOL
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      After taking all of the above in consideration, I have decided to vote for that option.
      So now, I know you are the other one who voted for this option.



      CASE 1: This is infamous case of hydroplaning (Aquaplaning) where Airbags were not deployed and car toppled several times. Fortunately, everyone came out safe. However Mahindra had updated their user manual after this incident and explicitly stated that Airbags will not deploy in aquaplaning.



      CASE 2: In this case, Airbags were deployed but picture is enough to tell you what would have happened to the occupants.

      Full story here: Pictures and Videos of Automobiles Involved in Accidents - Page 216


      There are certain conditions which need to be met before Airbags deploy. (I don't know what they are through).

      The best practices which need to be followed for safer journey is
      • Put the seat belts on in recommended position.
      • Sit far away from steering and console as much as you can. If you sit close, airbag explosion may cause you other injuries / fractures.
      • Drive in sane speeds. Advisable is 80 KMPH.
      • Do not keep any objects on rear seats, instead place them on floor. They act as projectile in case of sudden stop of vehicle.
      • Rear occupants must put their seat belts on. In India, even front passengers put on seat belt to escape cops, not Mr. Yam Raj.

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