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      EV charging station questions

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      I am interested in opening an EV charging station. Since the EV personal car sector will take about 5 years to grow, can you please guide-


      1. Companies like Tesla will set up their own superchargers, less expensive cars like Hyundai, TATA are also expected to do the same. Hyundai and MG Hector are even setting up charging points as of today in big cities. GOI is also going to set up charging stations after like every 25 kms or so. So, will it be viable for a common person to set up a charging station?


      2. Most of the charging will be done at home, for people who will get their own chargers installed. In flats, the same will be installed and managed by the management. Considering the cars will have a range of a minimum of 250 kms, the charging will be needed atleast once in a trip. Again what will be the economical viability?


      3. Cost of electricity is very expensive in Punjab. The sources from which it is produced are coal etc. are not environment friendly. It is a different story. I highly doubt that there is a good brand for solar panels available in India, if there is one then please mention its name, to get the electricity from renewable sources. Any inputs?



      4. The charging standard is still not finalized
      https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/16...nfrastructure/
      Cars like Tesla have their own standard. What if at present one invests in a standard, for say around 6-10 lacs, and after few years that standard is not usable any more or other companies like VW come up with their own standard. What to do in this case?


      5. There are many companies, especially startups, which are providing support from setting up of an EV station to providing softwares etc. Ofcourse even for the consultation they charge a heavy amount. I haven't consulted them yet. Anyone from here talked to them?


      6. What is the revenue model of companies like Plugshare? Business model is different but is related to this.


      7. Can someone help with the estimated budget for setting up an ev charging station? Rental property atleast around 2000-2500 sq feet, slow/fast charging charging pods x 4 or 5 of them, transformer etc. cost, and atleast 2 people needed to manage the same.


      I met few e-rickshaw walas in my city. As per them cost of 1 unit of electricity is Rs. 7. Their e-rickshaw gives a mileage of around 60 kms in city, is it possible in one unit or did I misunderstood something? They charge once at home at night only. When I asked what if the customers are more or they run out of the range, will they use an ev station? Their answer was no.


      I am from commerce background. Please share a link/book so that I can learn more about the AC/DC, kwah, transformer needed i.e. everything about this field.


      Did they change the guidelines after this-
      https://powermin.nic.in/sites/defaul...%20%281%29.pdf
      Thanx

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      In the new policy an EV charging station is one of the prerequisites for Fuel Pumps.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sgiitk View Post
      In the new policy an EV charging station is one of the prerequisites for Fuel Pumps.
      Sir thanks for replying. I agree that the existing players like petrol pump owners will be the first to grab this opportunity. But can and should a common man go for setting these up? Can you please reply for the points that I have mentioned above?

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      Any advice sir?

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      Quote Originally Posted by nanu.007 View Post
      I am interested in opening an EV charging station. Since the EV personal car sector will take about 5 years to grow, can you please guide-
      You better have some serious cash before you start. The big companies will try to bankrupt you if they seen you doing well. They have the capital to price you out of the market.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Indian View Post
      You better have some serious cash before you start. The big companies will try to bankrupt you if they seen you doing well. They have the capital to price you out of the market.
      Thank you sir. Is there any scope in becoming the ev charging station service provider? I mean we build a startup/company which helps people with tons of money to setup a charging station? Anything for point 5 and 6?

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      Quote Originally Posted by nanu.007 View Post
      Companies like Tesla will set up their own superchargers, less expensive cars like Hyundai, TATA are also expected to do the same. Hyundai and MG Hector are even setting up charging points as of today in big cities. GOI is also going to set up charging stations after like every 25 kms or so. So, will it be viable for a common person to set up a charging station?
      I dont think its a good time to fall into this. There is no standard charging Cable/connector/Voltage etc. Every brand will deliberately bring something propitiatory to sell their own chargers. Sending wrong Voltages with Jugaad plugs will cause fires and lawsuits. Its high time these bureaucrats fall onto something standard like Android phones did with USB-C. But still there will be stragglers like Apple (Insert any car brand here) who will need their own cables/Standards just for the heck of it.

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      Cost of electricity is very expensive in Punjab. The sources from which it is produced are coal etc. are not environment friendly. It is a different story. I highly doubt that there is a good brand for solar panels available in India, if there is one then please mention its name, to get the electricity from renewable sources. Any inputs?
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      Quote Originally Posted by nanu.007 View Post
      I met few e-rickshaw walas in my city. As per them cost of 1 unit of electricity is Rs. 7. Their e-rickshaw gives a mileage of around 60 kms in city, is it possible in one unit or did I misunderstood something? They charge once at home at night only. When I asked what if the customers are more or they run out of the range, will they use an ev station? Their answer was no.
      E-Vehicle so far In Indian Subcontinent will mostly be successful in Small battery sizes (Read 2 wheelers, 3 Wheelers). The Giant Battery Sizes to run Tesla Like Supercars or SUVs (Heck even full size family sedans) Consumes a lot of Energy. Indian Grids are themselves not strong enough to deliver so much power. A 80KWH Battery to charge in 8 Hours (SLOW CHARGING) needs about 10KW constant. A Split AC consumes 1.5KW and even then we fear the Bill. You can Imagine what 10KWH will do. And we hare not counting conversion losses.

      Infact, If a few household start putting such demands, Not just Pole wiring but even Transformers DP and Power station equipment will be overloaded.

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      I dont think its a good time to fall into this. There is no standard charging Cable/connector/Voltage etc. Every brand will deliberately bring something propitiatory to sell their own chargers. Sending wrong Voltages with Jugaad plugs will cause fires and lawsuits. Its high time these bureaucrats fall onto something standard like Android phones did with USB-C. But still there will be stragglers like Apple (Insert any car brand here) who will need their own cables/Standards just for the heck of it.


      100% agree


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      I didn't know it was you. I watched few of your videos on battery care last month. Will subscribe. Expect tons of questions from me on this subject ha ha.

      E-Vehicle so far In Indian Subcontinent will mostly be successful in Small battery sizes (Read 2 wheelers, 3 Wheelers). The Giant Battery Sizes to run Tesla Like Supercars or SUVs (Heck even full size family sedans) Consumes a lot of Energy. Indian Grids are themselves not strong enough to deliver so much power. A 80KWH Battery to charge in 8 Hours (SLOW CHARGING) needs about 10KW constant. A Split AC consumes 1.5KW and even then we fear the Bill. You can Imagine what 10KWH will do. And we hare not counting conversion losses.

      Infact, If a few household start putting such demands, Not just Pole wiring but even Transformers DP and Power station equipment will be overloaded.

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      We are already producing excess electricity but it is our old age transformers, wiring etc. which is letting us down. I hope something was done about it. Moreover state controlled electricity boards are just full fledged chors. India needs to shift towards capitalism.

      Blind EV Push, I fully agree. Besides diesel bans, haven't they said to ban all ICE vehicles, including Petrol one's, after 2030?

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      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      There is no standard charging Cable/connector/Voltage etc
      I am not sure how this will work out in the future in India, however, in EU the charging protocols are regulated by the government, which means to say that to get an EV certified as roadworthy one of the things the Govt will look for is adherence to the defined charging protocols. In EU you can plug any EV into any EV charging port, charge your vehicle drive off and you can be sure that you will get a bill in a month or so ..

      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      Every brand will deliberately bring something propitiatory to sell their own chargers
      I don't think any manufacturer will go down that route, remember globally manufacturers want to reuse components, it would not make sense to start making anything new unless there is a wide level of acceptance to the design standard/specification. I believe the Indian EV infrastructure will just piggyback on whatever the EU and US is doing ...

      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      Indian Grids are themselves not strong enough to deliver so much power. A 80KWH Battery to charge in 8 Hours (SLOW CHARGING) needs about 10KW constant
      I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion about the robustness of the Indian Power grid, it may be a challenge if next week all cars in the country are going electric, but as you can see like for any other change the technology adoption is slow and this will drive the infrastructure to ramp up, already you can see that the overhead lines are giving way to underground distribution lines etc ...

      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      A Split AC consumes 1.5KW and even then we fear the Bill. You can Imagine what 10KWH will do. And we hare not counting conversion losses.
      The comparison in cost is with the cost per km on fossil fuel vs cost per km on electric, there is no competition here the electric win hands down in this even accounting for the conversion losses.

      Quote Originally Posted by bhvm View Post
      Infact, If a few household start putting such demands, Not just Pole wiring but even Transformers DP and Power station equipment will be overloaded
      As i said before, it does make sense to have a phased approach, we are too big a country and population to take on any change at short notice ..
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      I am not sure how this will work out in the future in India, however, in EU the charging protocols are regulated by the government, which means to say that to get an EV certified as roadworthy one of the things the Govt will look for is adherence to the defined charging protocols. In EU you can plug any EV into any EV charging port, charge your vehicle drive off and you can be sure that you will get a bill in a month or so ..

      Tesla use their own charges, atleast in NA. Do they have a standard charging port+standard in the EU?


      I don't think any manufacturer will go down that route, remember globally manufacturers want to reuse components, it would not make sense to start making anything new unless there is a wide level of acceptance to the design standard/specification. I believe the Indian EV infrastructure will just piggyback on whatever the EU and US is doing ...

      I might be wrong but of the little what I remember MG and Hyundai were setting up charging pods(not really stations) with different standards in big cities in India.

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