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      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      Hey, not fair at all man. You accepted it elsewhere on the forum
      I did bro, but until then I thought a fanboy meant supporter. Until unless all those amazing definitions popped out
      So, I'll have to reconsider my position

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      Quote Originally Posted by Squid View Post
      I did bro, but until then I thought a fanboy meant supporter.
      English is a phunnny language eh Squid?

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      Squid: Nothing wrong being a Fiat Fanboy. I am one. And why not!!! Basically I'm an Italian Design Fanboy.
      Look at them and anyone would go OOOHHHHHH. If one doesn't, something seriously wrong with their DQ. Italian Design is just muaaah, oohh laa laa .
      Fiat has a negative image for sure. Look at it this way. A Fiat customer is always different. One who will buy a Fiat will do it with the heart. Just the way one gets married. Do you nit-pick at your wife? Don't even try, next day you'll be signing 'the papers'. Wanna use your brains go buy the Japenese and Korean products and sail like a boat and marry a robot .

      Look at Mosconi amps, I'll buy it just for the way it looks.
      There are million other departments to use the brain, not the automobile. Definitely not. Here are a few example which everyone will kinda agree to.
      1. Bullet.
      2. Harley.
      3. Fiat.
      4. Alfa Romeo.
      5. Aston Martin.

      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      Damn, that sounds like a dream job. Where can I apply to join Fiat?
      Even I would love to have one but then its the DQ again. One has to be an Italian to think like an Italian . Its genetic, you see.

      As for the A.S.S. which company doesn't have a problem? I had got the discs for my OHC changed here at Landmark Honda. I had to visit them 5 times as the problem wasn't rectified. Finally I had to yell at the Manager in front of the staff and customers to get their A$$ on A.S.S.
      I have a Maruti Zen as well. No, not the Estilo. Using an Italian name doesn't make something Italian. The spark plug cables had to be changed. It took them 2 weeks to source it.

      So please, its there, everywhere. Its just the percentage .
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      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      One who will buy a Fiat will do it with the heart
      Two things I have never understood till date.

      1. Fiat builds cars with passion. Don't the others do as well?
      2. A Fiat buyer listens to his heart. Don't the others do as well?

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      One has to be an Italian to think like an Italian
      I am a big fan of the Colosseum, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, Lamborghini, Lancia, Pagani, Maserati, Vespa, Ferrari, Hertz, Audison, would love to live my retired life in Venice, love Italian food (specially the wines, cheese, pizza, tiramisu and lasagna), a big fan of Francesco Totti, Vieri & Del Piero. So am I qualified to think like an Italian?

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      As for the A.S.S. which company doesn't have a problem?
      I'v always said the same. Every company has A.S.S issues, right from Maruti to Bugatti. A well informed customer is the need of the hour.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      Two things I have never understood till date.

      1. Fiat builds cars with passion. Don't the others do as well?
      2. A Fiat buyer listens to his heart. Don't the others do as well?
      Do you own one?

      Ok here is the way Japanese build a car. Take the ANHC for e.g.
      They started the ambitious project of making a really good looking car. The front end is just marvelous because they had the patience to watch Star Wars (dubbed in japanese ofcourse). It took them few weeks to finish the front end. By the time the came past the A Pillar the project manager referred to his schedule and said that "We haave lost a lot of tiiimmeee. Hurrryyy uppp." So the designers were having their weekend supper at a Sushi joint and saw a 3 series. The head of the design team says "Aaai like". The rest of the crew (which is apparently just 2 people in all) just changed the angles and a few lines here and there and in the next 2 hours the exterior is ready . Coming to the interiors the designers, probably, had a few curves to make it look good but the Head of engineering says "Aaai want more space for the ducs. Change it". Hence the boring interiors.

      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      I am a big fan of the Colosseum, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, Lamborghini, Lancia, Pagani, Maserati, Vespa, Ferrari, Hertz, Audison, would love to live my retired life in Venice, love Italian food (specially the wines, cheese, pizza, tiramisu and lasagna), a big fan of Francesco Totti, Vieri & Del Piero. So am I qualified to think like an Italian?
      Unfortunately not. Loving Italian stuff and being an Italian is different. People love our curry and biryani. Does that qualify them to be Indians? .
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      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      Do you own one?
      Me? No. My dad yes! And I learnt my driving in a Fiat 1100 which is still very dear to me. I have driven most Fiats in India enough to understand what the hype is all about. They make good cars, no doubt! But to say others make lifeless or boring cars is ridiculous.

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      Ok here is the way Japanese build a car
      While it all sounds nice to joke about, aren't a lot of the Jap cars today designed by Italians? Eg: SX4.

      Most of the companies today (Japs & Koreans) employ European designers because a lot of their sales go to EU and USofA as well.

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      Unfortunately not. Loving Italian stuff and being an Italian is different. People love our curry and biryani. Does that qualify them to be Indians?
      I said qualify to *think* like an Italian, not be an Italian. Whats the fun in that?

      Talking about Italians and Indians reminds me of this...



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      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      Me? No. My dad yes! And I learnt my driving in a Fiat 1100 which is still very dear to me. I have driven most Fiats in India enough to understand what the hype is all about. They make good cars, no doubt! But to say others make lifeless or boring cars is ridiculous.
      Boring is a relative term. Its the difference in priorities. Some people like the interiors of the ANHC. Thats their DQ. Then again here, its the heart. From what I understand you use more of your brains than heart and hence the dilemma (pertaining to cars only). Its difficult to put it in words. I never was a Fiat fan unless I drove one. It might not be the fastest of the one which can do a 0~100 dash in 12.789 secs. But after driving one do I feel good? Yes, everytime. Here is another example



      The Skyline is a classic example. Brilliantly engineered car. Till date its a one of the tuners heaven. But is it beautiful?
      Nissan GTR. Engineering excellence. Is it beautiful?

      Now the other end:
      Pagani Zonda. Forget the power and everything. Just look at it.
      Aston ONE77 or any other.
      Murcielago or any other Lambo.
      V-Rod.


      Most of the manufacturers follow the theory of "form follows function". With the handful of the examples I took, it has to be 'Ornamental'. Functionality is secondary.

      Quote Originally Posted by mclaren1885 View Post
      While it all sounds nice to joke about, aren't a lot of the Jap cars today designed by Italians? Eg: SX4.

      Most of the companies today (Japs & Koreans) employ European designers because a lot of their sales go to EU and USofA as well.
      Absolutely. But do they look as good as Italian cars? Not a bit. Even the Indica was designed in Italy by IDEA if I'm not wrong. But its the criteria that the company puts in. Can anyone say that it was designed in Italy? It was probably the set of rules that Mr. Ratan Tata put forward. Give them their space to design a car and then they'll shine.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      It was probably the set of rules that Mr. Ratan Tata put forward.
      Holy Duck of Holland! You used the full name, now all the Tata Fanboys are going to get you for that.

      (Disclamer: I truly respect this man for this caliber and achievements. Somehow, as he cannot put personal attention everywhere, others who he appointed to run the show screwed things under his name. Sad.)


      Now, the debate that Mr. T started is his fault. There are lot of lapses on either side and with the image that he has, he should not have said what he did. I'm supporting neither side, but somehow, since I own a F, I've had to go through the amazing experience that most taxi drivers in this country undergo. For no fault of mine; nor owning an IndiCab. *Sigh* (I mean TASS experience)

      TASS has done a lot of notorious things which I cannot say on this forum. My anger is only because of it. F on the other hand, has gone out of their way to correct things. But T won't listen, they would act deaf and blind. I'm unable to understand why! And then I've go hunting the b@lls of TML guys to get simple things done. So there's more to this debate than we know or we're trying. Beating a dead horse, are we?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Squid View Post
      (Disclamer: I truly respect this man for this caliber and achievements. Somehow, as he cannot put personal attention everywhere, others who he appointed to run the show screwed things under his name. Sad.)
      I too personally respect him a lot. Not everyone has the caliber that brilliant industrialist has. Hats off to him for pulling things off. Everyone laughed at him, but he did what he had set the goals for.
      And then the saying "Don't mend it if it ain't broken." Imagine that xx carmozome had to take her Palio for servicing at TASS where all the taxi drivers would queue up. Thankfully the dealer was kind enough and agreed to her request and would get everything done for her.

      And I haven't taken his name in any disrespectful way. So why should I bother? .

      Personally I would love Fiat to enter on its own. If thats not workable then they should have separate outlets for Fiat vehicles. Its kinda weird seeing the Punto and the Linea at the same place where you have the Indicas and the Nanos. Fiat customers have a different profile altogether.
      Competition setup going active soon ;)

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      Sorry, but I got to disagree with you. Passion (driven by heart) can mean different things to different people. What is passion to you need not be the same to me or vice-versa. Its highly subjective. I think the OHC Vtec is the best looking car in the under 10L segment till date and each time I look at a well maintained one I can't stop staring at one, others may disagree. Passion to some could be watching the needle hit 7000 rpm. To some just maintaining their cars immaculately is passion. And so on and so forth! Passion is the most widely abused term in Indian auto forums.

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      The Skyline is a classic example. Brilliantly engineered car. Till date its a one of the tuners heaven. But is it beautiful?
      Nissan GTR. Engineering excellence. Is it beautiful?
      Again, the term beautiful is highly subjective. Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I think Emmanuelle Chriqui is the most beautiful women on the earth today, a lot of them think it is Aishwarya Rai or Angelina Jolie. Actually they are all right, in their own perspective. You get the drift don't you?

      Take a look at the Ferrari Enzo, the F430, ugly looking cars, does that mean they aren't built with passion? Or evoke passion in the owners hearts? They do!

      Driving a Punto today does not evoke passion in me. When I get behind the wheels of an Elantra, it does (yes a Korean). Does that make a Hyundai fanboy now? No! Even the Swift I own does not evoke the same feeling and I don't suggest anyone to buy a Swift.

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      Not a bit. Even the Indica was designed in Italy by IDEA if I'm not wrong
      Yes, the Indica was indeed designed by an Italian and we know how that turned up don't we?

      Everything Italian is not WOW, Enzo being a very good example, hailed as one of the all time best Supercars. Looks fugly as hell.

      Quote Originally Posted by Squid View Post
      TASS has done a lot of notorious things which I cannot say on this forum
      And who is stopping you from going public? I don't understand this logic, you crib but don't want to share your complete experience?

      Quote Originally Posted by Linea-Lover View Post
      Its kinda weird seeing the Punto and the Linea at the same place where you have the Indicas and the Nanos. Fiat customers have a different profile altogether.
      Didn't Fiat think about that BEFORE they went into an alliance? Were they promised different Service Centres in the JV and did Tata betray them? I don't think so. Fiat knew very well what they were getting from the JV. And they seemed to be ok with it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Squid View Post
      he should not have said what he did.
      Why not, because what he said was the truth. Are you hinting that Fiat management had no clue about his "press report". And you believe that? Or is it just frustration that a lot of the Fiat owners who bought their cars because of the JV now feel cheated? Or in your case a bad experience leading to hating TASS forever?
      2002 Tata Indica DLS.
      2004 Suzuki Zen - A G13B eater.
      2005 Suzuki Baleno - India's fastest Naturally Aspirated Baleno timed on a drag strip officially!
      2008 Suzuki Swift VDi - The Rattle King.
      2011 Chevrolet Cruze - The Torque Monster.
      2016 Ford Ecosport 1.5 TDCi Titanium - The SQ Machine in the making.
      2017 Skoda Octavia VRS - A 400+HP corner craving machine!
      2013 BMW X1 - The RWD Sideways Machine
      2019 Polo GT TSI - The Commute Workhorse.
      2014 MOC SQ Pro Champions.
      Harmonixx Tuning - Importers for Audiofrog & Arc Audio/APR Tuning Authorized Dealers/Engine Remap Specialists for all makes/models.
      Dealers for Rainbow/Mosconi/Eton/Stetcom/Tru Technology/Blam Audio/Mobridge/Stetsom/Audible Physics/AIV/Gladen/Dampmat/Dr Artex Damping and more.

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