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      Hi Friends, I know we have come across many and have discussed this topic threadbare on other forums. The purpose of this thread will be to get ideas (and hopefully, directions) and eventually, if everyting goes well, act as the log for the mods I intend to do to the car that will soon be mine.

      A very short introduction first.... people whoknow me personally can skip this part as you probably are sick of going through this with me already. My Dad owns this '95 Conti that came with a 2L Isuzu Diesel when we bought it few years ago. We got the Conti for him because both of us were crazy about this and after selling his last Conti, we tried many other cars which he was not happy with. As it happens, age caught up with him and he is now finding it difficult to drive this car in city traffic, both because of it's size and the handling. Me and my brother have decided to get him a more practical, modern car that will be easier for him to drive and maintain. This is the car we are talking about....
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      It still runs fine for it's age, no major complaints except the usual ones like noisy engine, body rattles, etc which are quiet common for these cars.

      I have decided not to sell this one, not forany sentimental reasons, but because it will not fetch me any big money (40-50K max?). I am rather inclined to convert this into my weekend car, after sprucing it up.

      I know what the car needs.... here are some rough targets I have set for myself....

      1. It will be a diesel (have had petrol performance cars, I know what kind of a hole it burns into your pockets!)
      2. It will be as stock looking as possible. External mods, if any, will only be functional in nature.... I am against the "All show, no go" attitude. The max that the car will get is a fresh coat of paint, bit of denting, etc and may be.... may be... alloys and fatter rubber.
      3. Interiors will get a complete revamp. I am not too happy with the upholstery, and being in Coimbatore with access to all the vendors here like Koyas, it makes things easy for me to manage. Afterall, it has to be a comfortable car if I have to take my family out in it. Airconditioner right now is as good as it can get, so it stays that way. I might get a new Dash or even a custom one done... if needed, but it is not a priority. There are some wild ideas too, about ICE, etc, but that is not something I am worried about now.
      4. The car will have to be FAST! This may be a stock looking car, but I definitely want some jaws to drop wen they see this moving.
      5. It will have to handle well...... what's the point on sprucing up a rear-wheel drive car, if it cannot handle well? Brakes will have to be improvised so it can stop as easily as it goes.
      6. Oh yea, the all important question..... time and budget! Well, honestly, time is not a constraint. I know and have experienced how long it takes when you try to do something like this. Keeping all that into consideration, I want this out in 6 months. The budget? well, I want to keep it as low as possible, since I know I will never be able to sell this one and recover the cost. Let's say it is 2 Lacs for now. I will think about revising it later if needed.

      Well, that's for starters. Let your ideas pour in, but please, keep them practical. I would love to plonk in a Chevy V12, but guys, that's not gonna happen. I am thinking more in the lines of a Hyundai CRDi unit or a Scorpio Engine, etc. Something that will be easier to get, as well as give us decent performance, and can be spruced up later.

      I also need to know the flaws beforehand. I know the propellor shafts cannot handle too much torque, but is there anyway it can be strengthened? The chasis will under go a complete strip job and strengthening, similar to Rally cars, so that should handle the torque. What about other items like Wheel bearings, etc? Since this is the replica of a vauxhall victor, I am assuming I can get some left over performance parts from abroad if needed..... I may be wrong though. Lets have some ideas and formulate a plan before I jump into this project. Thanks in advance for all your inputs fellas. I intend to make this a community build, so every one of you can contribute with your ideas and what ever ways you can help.

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      Dont know enough to contribute, but I'm going to watch this thread closely.
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      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10322.html#p10322
      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]
      1. It will be a diesel (have had petrol performance cars, I know what kind of a hole it burns into your pockets!)
      Good choice, and easier to get it to give out some earth shattering torque. If you can get a Hyundai Terracan engine, nothing like it, but beware, it's fueling systems will fail before the other Bosch equipped CRDi units will get into trouble.

      The next best option I would go for would be a Scorpio engine. Personally, I would prefer the CRDi version, because eventually that will be able to make a lot more power.

      Of course, Scorpio engines should be the easiest to find.

      Another warning here, you would need to seriously spruce up the front suspension if you want this swap to be reliable. The stock "ball joint" will not be able to take the load of the engine, unless you want to baby it around.

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      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]2. It will be as stock looking as possible. External mods, if any, will only be functional in nature.... I am against the "All show, no go" attitude. The max that the car will get is a fresh coat of paint, bit of denting, etc and may be.... may be... alloys and fatter rubber.
      I would say go for fatter rubber, on wider alloys/rims, with a power steering unit, if one is not already there. I have some good old experience throwing this thing around the hills, and I say you would need all the rubber you can get.

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      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]3. Interiors will get a complete revamp. I am not too happy with the upholstery, and being in Coimbatore with access to all the vendors here like Koyas, it makes things easy for me to manage. Afterall, it has to be a comfortable car if I have to take my family out in it. Airconditioner right now is as good as it can get, so it stays that way. I might get a new Dash or even a custom one done... if needed, but it is not a priority. There are some wild ideas too, about ICE, etc, but that is not something I am worried about now.
      This is the simplest part, and I say let it wait until the rest of the car becomes perfect, and if it does, at that point you wont mind spending more on it!

      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10322.html#p10322
      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]4. The car will have to be FAST! This may be a stock looking car, but I definitely want some jaws to drop wen they see this moving.
      Put in a high torque diesel engine, and sure as hell this would move. Eventually, I would say you should go for light weight bonnets, boot etc, but all that can wait.

      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10322.html#p10322
      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]5. It will have to handle well...... what's the point on sprucing up a rear-wheel drive car, if it cannot handle well? Brakes will have to be improvised so it can stop as easily as it goes.
      I forgot what kind of braking system this car has. Does it have a booster? Disks?

      But again, my suggestion would be to wait until the engine and transmission woes are over, before you get in here.

      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10322.html#p10322
      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]6. Oh yea, the all important question..... time and budget! Well, honestly, time is not a constraint. I know and have experienced how long it takes when you try to do something like this. Keeping all that into consideration, I want this out in 6 months. The budget? well, I want to keep it as low as possible, since I know I will never be able to sell this one and recover the cost. Let's say it is 2 Lacs for now. I will think about revising it later if needed.
      Get the car running a lot quicker with a new engine, maybe a month or two. As I was saying earlier, that makes it a lot easier to decide what kind of money you want to spend on it from then.

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      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]I also need to know the flaws beforehand. I know the propellor shafts cannot handle too much torque, but is there anyway it can be strengthened?
      I think that wont be an issue, and even if it is, options should be many.

      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10322.html#p10322
      quicksilver » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:45 pm[/url]]The chasis will under go a complete strip job and strengthening, similar to Rally cars, so that should handle the torque. What about other items like Wheel bearings, etc? Since this is the replica of a vauxhall victor, I am assuming I can get some left over performance parts from abroad if needed..... I may be wrong though. Lets have some ideas and formulate a plan before I jump into this project. Thanks in advance for all your inputs fellas. I intend to make this a community build, so every one of you can contribute with your ideas and what ever ways you can help.
      I think all the "performance" parts should be obtained from local cars, else the budget will go through the roof very easily.
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      Sriram, haven't read the whole thread as I'm travelling now. But since ur saying its going to be a weekend car I would still say get a V6 or a V8 petrol. No diesel can come close to the fun of driving high revving petrol. Though I drive mostly diesels these days, each time I drive a good petrol car it makes me go weak in the knees.

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      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10343.html#p10343
      mclaren1885 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:56 pm[/url]], each time I drive a good petrol car it makes me go weak in the knees.
      Get your knees checked. They seem to be over reacting to petrol.

      Seriously, get a Scorpio Engine, add a tuning box and you are good to go.
      I dont see the petrols as being that easy to tune. which RWD petrol is available locally that puts out 140bhp plus?

      basic intake and exhaust mods on the diesel with a remap will see power going up even further.
      meanwhile, in the petrol, you'll be sorting out compression ratios, AFRs, detonation, and what not
      while paying through your nose for fuel. not worth it.

      Ok, fine, import a V6 or a V8, but which one? and what about spares? who will maintain it?
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      Yeah... Rahul can also recommend a distinguished Contessa expert! They were close at one time... real close..
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      honestly, that guy did do some wonders with the handling. worth looking at his thread on the other forum.

      If you can , definintely put in a 2.2 mHawk. that will aid in handling and is not as tall as the 2.6 mill. the 2.6 mill might be too tall to fit. you can even look at the hyundai/gm 2 liter mill too. that is fit longitudinally in both the tucson and the captiva. so you will have mounting points on the block, you can definitely get a qualis tranny and use an adapter plate. throw a petes in and you are looking at some serious fun.
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      When I read this thread first, I was telling Sameel just the same thing you mentioned Vijay. Won't most of these diesel engines be too tall?
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      Get your knees checked. They seem to be over reacting to petrol.
      No Doc! For nearly a year now the only cars I have driven are diesels. Last evening, while returning back from Chennai I was driving a petrol Swift and I must say the high revs are addictive.

      basic intake and exhaust mods on the diesel with a remap will see power going up even further.
      meanwhile, in the petrol, you'll be sorting out compression ratios, AFRs, detonation, and what not
      while paying through your nose for fuel. not worth it.
      Doc, remember on the big blocks, the amount of gains you get just by plonking in an CAI can get you phenominal gains. I am assuming this is going to be a weekend car, read Sriram can go berserk. Also, do remember while trying out a project like this if you don't setup the diesel engine properly, any part conking of will make your wallet pay dearly too.

      Ok, fine, import a V6 or a V8, but which one?
      There should be plenty of options available if one can look around. If Sriram is interested I shall ask around to see if there are any V6's or V8's around.

      Anyone mentions a Conti project, this is the first thing that comes to my mind.
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      Nice Video. In fact, great one. Now if only we had 100,000 pounds, and a family willing to make "sacrifices".

      But seriously, even I would prefer a petrol v8 in a project like this, because it will be just a weekend car. As long as 2-4 kms/l is your idea of weekend fun. Guess what a trip to mysore on the weekend will cost for us here?
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      Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://gearheads.in/post10437.html#p10437
      tadukuttan » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:31 am[/url]] Guess what a trip to mysore on the weekend will cost for us here?
      Almost as much as the cost of the engine??
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